Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Who is in control?

[Rocky]

Ed When you look back at your own statements do they make sense to you because I am lost. Sheesh could some one translate this for me please, I don't speak Flippyfloppyflopanese , It is driving me crazy. Oh and yes its Calvinism or Edism no wait I got, it "MacArhtercalvinedism" So Ed claims he never sins and is never tempted. Must be nice being as sinless as Christ was, should we start bulding an alter to the great and powerfull Ed lol. Should we start praying our father who art in Heaved Ed be thy name

As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read.

I gave you three direct and simply points and asked which you objected to and you go all drama on us.

If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.

Ed I give you your own quotes and you get angry so I just start playing with you because I don't know what else to say. I cant read? Ok here is your quotes again

Ed: A Christian who willfully sins cant be brought to repentance. I say a true Christian who has made Jesus Lord of their life can't willfully sin. if a Christian truly has made Jesus Lord of his life he will not sin intentionally or willfully. Again I say when someone willfully sins they never made Jesus Lord of their life. I don't believe they were really saved

Ed were am I reading you wrong This is double talk, this is you talking here not me.. To say a Christian can sin and then say he cant sin, and then say if he does he was not saved in the first place, is by definition double talk. Its like I am talking to Bill Clinton or something. Perhaps you should run for office..

[Justaned]

Ed When you look back at your own statements do they make sense to you because I am lost. Sheesh could some one translate this for me please, I don't speak Flippyfloppyflopanese , It is driving me crazy. Oh and yes its Calvinism or Edism no wait I got, it "MacArhtercalvinedism" So Ed claims he never sins and is never tempted. Must be nice being as sinless as Christ was, should we start bulding an alter to the great and powerfull Ed lol. Should we start praying our father who art in Heaved Ed be thy name

As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read.

I gave you three direct and simply points and asked which you objected to and you go all drama on us.

If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.

Ed I give you your own quotes and you get angry so I just start playing with you because I don't know what else to say. I cant read? Ok here is your quotes again

Ed:I say a true Christian who has made Jesus Lord of their life can't willfully sin. if a Christian truly has made Jesus Lord of his life he will not sin intentionally or willfully. Again I say when someone willfully sins they never made Jesus Lord of their life. I don't believe they were really saved

Ed were am I reading you wrong This is double talk this is you talking here not me..

First I don't get angry at any thing people say I get angry when I see ignorance. So unless you think your ignorant or acting ignorant I wasn't angry.You are taking the above quotes out of context. I supplied them in context right here now where is the problem with what I said.

The points again in context.

I'm saying a Christian that has truly made Jesus his Lord can't willfully sin because he will not allow his flesh to entice him away from Christ. The idea will not come into his head if he is dwelling on Jesus

However there are many that call themselves Christians in live in rebellion to Christ, they commonly sin (backslide) if you like and keep going through the I repent please forgive me routine.

Now evidently according to scripture there are people that were true Christians, that made Jesus their Lord but then rejected or rebelled to commit willful and deliberate sin. However scripture says they no longer have a sacrifice under which to be saved. I further believe people in this group don't even care about God any longer and have no care for salvation.

So you have three conditions. True Christians, Play actors, and aberrant exceptions.

[Rocky]

Ed: A Christian who willfully sins cant be brought to repentance. I say a true Christian who has made Jesus Lord of their life can't willfully sin. if a Christian truly has made Jesus Lord of his life he will not sin intentionally or willfully. Again I say when someone willfully sins they never made Jesus Lord of their life. I don't believe they were really saved

Ed: As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.

[Justaned]

Ed: A Christian who willfully sins cant be brought to repentance. I say a true Christian who has made Jesus Lord of their life can't willfully sin. if a Christian truly has made Jesus Lord of his life he will not sin intentionally or willfully. Again I say when someone willfully sins they never made Jesus Lord of their life. I don't believe they were really saved

Ed: As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.

I ask once again without adding, subtracting or whatever just read these statements and tell me where you see a problem.

I'm saying a Christian that has truly made Jesus his Lord can't willfully sin because he will not allow his flesh to entice him away from Christ. The idea will not come into his head if he is dwelling on Jesus

However there are many that call themselves Christians in live in rebellion to Christ, they commonly sin (backslide) if you like and keep going through the I repent please forgive me routine.

Now evidently according to scripture there are people that were true Christians, that made Jesus their Lord but then rejected or rebelled to commit willful and deliberate sin. However scripture says they no longer have a sacrifice under which to be saved. I further believe people in this group don't even care about God any longer and have no care for salvation.

So you have three conditions. True Christians, Play actors, and aberrant exceptions.

Don't go back and pull things from context and expect me to respond to them. Use just the above statements and show me your objections. CLEARLY
And remember

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

[Rocky]

Ed: You need to get saved! As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read.
If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.
Now read this without your filter, without your drama

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

You know Ed, Christians that act the way you do on here is what made it hard for me to become a Christian in the first place, Any way that's why I don't like most church folk, this is a very poor display here, but typical.

[Justaned]

Ed: You need to get saved! As I said Rocky you are an absolute mess. Besides that you can't read.
If you want drama go tell your wife she needs to get life, that will probably get you all the drama you seek.
Now read this without your filter, without your drama

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

You know Ed, Christians that act the way you do on here is what made it hard for me to become a Christian in the first place, Any way that's why I don't like most church folk, this is a very poor display here, but typical.

Once again you ignore what I say when in context. Then you PULL it from context, convolute it and then make it look like I said it in reference to this thread.
You are going all over this board finding quotes and then posting them as if they belong in context to this thread.
That in my opinion is shameful behavior.

Here is what I will say about you.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

[Rocky]

That is so mature.

I know... but it sure is funny

[Justaned]

That is so mature.

I know... but it sure is funny

And that is why I say you are a mess.

[Rocky]

If a believer has made the conscious decision to submit to Jesus' Lordship the his behavior and actions are controlled by Jesus. If the believer still retains control Jesus is not his Lord, or is only in word only.

We are given the Holy Spirit to guide and direct us, we also are commanded to be in relationship with Jesus as our Lord. Therefore if we maintain that relationship our actions and behaviors are controlled by God.

● Is an interruption of such control of the believer's actions and behavior possible? If so, how?
Evidently, and I don't understand exactly how but Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 say it is possible. However when that occurs again according the Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 scripture says there no longer remains a sacrifice for the their sin.

Again I'm not saying a Christian can not sin, in fact 1 John us anyone that makes that claim is a liar. What I'm saying is no true Christian will willfully and deliberately sin as long as Jesus is truly Lord of their life.

Too much of modern day theology puts man in control of things man can't control. If man could control sin then Jesus would not have had to die on the cross. Man couldn't control sin so He gave HIs Son to died for us. So that who ever believes to the point of total dependence on Jesus for control of their sin will be saved. As long as man holds back and refuses to allow Jesus to Lord of his life, as long as man demands his right to make decisions about spiritual things that he know nothing about man has not made Jesus Lord of his life.

Not going to use a label, not going to use a label, Don't say it Rocky.... Awww Cant over come ....not wanting to use..... a label. Even though...... been arguing and asking for fifty threads, Fifty threads !!!!....... And now finally he shows his views.. that I all ready knew.....Cant say ....it.... I fell like.......
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[Justaned]

I man could simply choose not to sin then why did man need Jesus?

How did Jesus death and resurrection effect the interaction between man and sin?

What is the point of becoming a New Creation if you can just go back in roll in the mud like the old man did?

Why is Jesus called Lord everywhere in scripture if in fact he really isn't Lord of us or is only Lord in name only since none of us have to listen and obey Him.

Why is Salvation always reduced down to man obeying or not obeying, sinning or not sinning. Wasn't there something else missing that required man to be born again, to become a new creation, for Jesus to die and rise from the cross?

Think about what you guys are advocating. It is all about man.