Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Justaned]

When one is called of God he is charged to defend God word and strive against false teachers.
It is apparent that when someone does that here many get upset. I wonder why?????

[cpbeller]

who is upset? And who is the "false teacher"? Dake?

[Justaned]

who is upset? And who is the "false teacher"? Dake?

Chris I thought you said you were done???? Now you are asking me questions again.
Tell me are you done or do you want to discuss things?

I wonder who is upset? Perhaps the people that post child like responses to technical discussions because they can't defend their position with reason or logic much less the word of God.

[bibleman]

IM CERTAIN NEITHER ONE OF US DISAGREE WITH REVEREND DAKE AND THE TRUTHS HE TAUGHT.I BELIEVE WHAT HE WROTE IN THE DARB.I LOVE THE DARB.AND REVEREND DAKE.
I DONT GET THIS.

yes i agree with REVED.

im just sticking up for my friend.he is a senior citizen.if folks here or anywhere were ganging upon you Reverend id do the same thing.i would.

Billy,

Could you please answer my question?

Do you agree with REVED that the Believer does NOT have power over the devil?

OK Billy,

That is fine. Since you agree with Ed, I will put you two together in your beliefs or shall we say: those who disagree with Dake and doubt that the Bible, the blood of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Ghost to give VICTORY over the devil.

Hi Billy,

Dake taught victory over the devil.

Ed said he does not believe in victory over the devil.

You said you agreed with Ed so that means that you and Ed BOTH do NOT believe in victory over the devil.

[Justaned]

YOU CANT FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO HAVE DIVERSITY IN CHRIST WITH REVED.HE DIDNT TREAT YOU THAT WAY WHEN YOU CAME OUT AS A GOTH CHRISTIAN.
I ACCEPT YOU.I DONT UNDER STAND SOME THINGS BUT TOUGH.

Billy this is way off subject, but I will address it. Ed very much condemned me over my appearance, And said it was my fault and to "deal with it", go back and look at the Halloween thread I made to see, Ed said some pretty harsh things to me, but its the internet and some people are like that, and I have very thick skin. Ok, now to go back to the thread. You call this thread a pick on Ed thread apparently or something. But Ed has said the Christian has no authority over the Devil. Are you in agreement with this? Oh and I believe in "DIVERSITY" just not bad theology.

Rocky
I said that when someone dresses for a reaction they should not be surprised when people react. I then said people are simply doing what instinct and nature has taught them to do. If someone dresses in an unusual way chances are they are unusual and a degree of caution is called for. I said that was the problem of the people that choose to dress that way.

You seem to want to take what Jesus said pertaining to people that can't help how they look, or have some deformity that they shouldn't be shunned by how they look and it apply it to people that dress for reaction and get a reaction. I said the problem is dressing as you do that promotes reaction in people is your problem and you need to deal with it.

I said Christians shouldn't be fixated on Satan, Jesus has defeated him and if we stay close to Jesus dress ourselves in the armor Jesus provided for us we have nothing to fear from Satan.

Satan surely has his agents that bear false witness against the children of God. He will try to deceive the children of God, and he will accuse them before God. But if you are truly children of God he can not snatch us from the hand of Jesus. The problem many have is the can't just trust God and trust in HIm and Him alone. They feel they must do something. The feel they must fight a fight they know nothing about and are powerless to move in the spiritual realm where Satan exists.

Now perhaps when you tell the story the next time you will tell it truthfully.

[Justaned]

IM CERTAIN NEITHER ONE OF US DISAGREE WITH REVEREND DAKE AND THE TRUTHS HE TAUGHT.I BELIEVE WHAT HE WROTE IN THE DARB.I LOVE THE DARB.AND REVEREND DAKE.
I DONT GET THIS.

yes i agree with REVED.

im just sticking up for my friend.he is a senior citizen.if folks here or anywhere were ganging upon you Reverend id do the same thing.i would.

Billy,

Could you please answer my question?

Do you agree with REVED that the Believer does NOT have power over the devil?

OK Billy,

That is fine. Since you agree with Ed, I will put you two together in your beliefs or shall we say: those who disagree with Dake and doubt that the Bible, the blood of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Ghost to give VICTORY over the devil.

Hi Billy,

Dake taught victory over the devil.

Ed said he does not believe in victory over the devil.

You said you agreed with Ed so that means that you and Ed BOTH do NOT believe in victory over the devil.

Of course Dake taught victory over Satan in my opinion he understood the victory Jesus won over Satan. Jesus freed us from the law and thus from Satan's accusations, traps and snares. We have the victory over Satan by the fact we are in Christ and have the armor Jesus gave us to withstand Satan. Satan can not remove us from Jesus' hand.
However that does not empower us to order Satan around or tell him what he can and can not do. By definition that is what is required for someone to have authority over another being.

Now if you want to say we are safe from Satan because we are in Christ I will agree with that. If you want to say the blood of Jesus protects us from the adversary then I will agree. If you want to say Jesus rendered Satan's biggest threat our death useless by giving us eternal life I will agree.

If you think I a Christian must go railing after Satan acting like a wild beast senseless beast raving against things I do not fully understand then I disagree.

Personally for someone that claims to have authority over Satan you spend a lot of time talking about how to muster the authority you say Jesus has given you. Do you carelessly lay it down and forget to take it with you?

[Rocky]

Rocky
I said that when someone dresses for a reaction they should not be surprised when people react. I then said people are simply doing what instinct and nature has taught them to do. If someone dresses in an unusual way chances are they are unusual and a degree of caution is called for. I said that was the problem of the people that choose to dress that way.

You seem to want to take what Jesus said pertaining to people that can't help how they look, or have some deformity that they shouldn't be shunned by how they look and it apply it to people that dress for reaction and get a reaction. I said the problem is dressing as you do that promotes reaction in people is your problem and you need to deal with it.

I said Christians shouldn't be fixated on Satan, Jesus has defeated him and if we stay close to Jesus dress ourselves in the armor Jesus provided for us we have nothing to fear from Satan.

Satan surely has his agents that bear false witness against the children of God. He will try to deceive the children of God, and he will accuse them before God. But if you are truly children of God he can not snatch us from the hand of Jesus. The problem many have is the can't just trust God and trust in HIm and Him alone. They feel they must do something. The feel they must fight a fight they know nothing about and are powerless to move in the spiritual realm where Satan exists.

Now perhaps when you tell the story the next time you will tell it truthfully.

[branham1965]

thats exactly the truth REVED.God love you sir.
my late Pastor told of people who were intercessors. some how they /i never fully understood the hows and whys but the devil wreaked havoc on them.they got to as you are saying REVED started getting too fresh with Satan and got the living daylights beat out of them.they were no match for Lucifer.
they got totally thrashed by him.wiped out.families destroyed and just "waylaid " as he used to say.

in Jude Reverend Dake wrote not on verse 9 :"a good example for saints today who rail on Satan and insult him."

IM CERTAIN NEITHER ONE OF US DISAGREE WITH REVEREND DAKE AND THE TRUTHS HE TAUGHT.I BELIEVE WHAT HE WROTE IN THE DARB.I LOVE THE DARB.AND REVEREND DAKE.
I DONT GET THIS.

yes i agree with REVED.

im just sticking up for my friend.he is a senior citizen.if folks here or anywhere were ganging upon you Reverend id do the same thing.i would.

Billy,

Could you please answer my question?

Do you agree with REVED that the Believer does NOT have power over the devil?

OK Billy,

That is fine. Since you agree with Ed, I will put you two together in your beliefs or shall we say: those who disagree with Dake and doubt that the Bible, the blood of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Ghost to give VICTORY over the devil.

Hi Billy,

Dake taught victory over the devil.

Ed said he does not believe in victory over the devil.

You said you agreed with Ed so that means that you and Ed BOTH do NOT believe in victory over the devil.

Of course Dake taught victory over Satan in my opinion he understood the victory Jesus won over Satan. Jesus freed us from the law and thus from Satan's accusations, traps and snares. We have the victory over Satan by the fact we are in Christ and have the armor Jesus gave us to withstand Satan. Satan can not remove us from Jesus' hand.
However that does not empower us to order Satan around or tell him what he can and can not do. By definition that is what is required for someone to have authority over another being.

Now if you want to say we are safe from Satan because we are in Christ I will agree with that. If you want to say the blood of Jesus protects us from the adversary then I will agree. If you want to say Jesus rendered Satan's biggest threat our death useless by giving us eternal life I will agree.

If you think I a Christian must go railing after Satan acting like a wild beast senseless beast raving against things I do not fully understand then I disagree.

Personally for someone that claims to have authority over Satan you spend a lot of time talking about how to muster the authority you say Jesus has given you. Do you carelessly lay it down and forget to take it with you?

[Justaned]

Rocky
I said that when someone dresses for a reaction they should not be surprised when people react. I then said people are simply doing what instinct and nature has taught them to do. If someone dresses in an unusual way chances are they are unusual and a degree of caution is called for. I said that was the problem of the people that choose to dress that way.

You seem to want to take what Jesus said pertaining to people that can't help how they look, or have some deformity that they shouldn't be shunned by how they look and it apply it to people that dress for reaction and get a reaction. I said the problem is dressing as you do that promotes reaction in people is your problem and you need to deal with it.

I said Christians shouldn't be fixated on Satan, Jesus has defeated him and if we stay close to Jesus dress ourselves in the armor Jesus provided for us we have nothing to fear from Satan.

Satan surely has his agents that bear false witness against the children of God. He will try to deceive the children of God, and he will accuse them before God. But if you are truly children of God he can not snatch us from the hand of Jesus. The problem many have is the can't just trust God and trust in HIm and Him alone. They feel they must do something. The feel they must fight a fight they know nothing about and are powerless to move in the spiritual realm where Satan exists.

Now perhaps when you tell the story the next time you will tell it truthfully.

Rocky why are you hiding your eyes, when truth is staring you in the face?

[Rocky]

They think they must fight a fight they know nothing about and are powerless to move in the spiritual realm where Satan exists..

Not hiding you just earned a face palm.lol Now to get back on subject. Ed yes we can know the spiritual realm even paul said "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices

And we don't fight? Here is a little bit of bible about fighting:

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

For we wrestle(Fight) not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I don't know Ed sounds like fighting to me.