Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[bibleman]

Wow ED!

You just saw the WORD:

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

and then you still said: "We can't command Satan, Satan does not have to respond to us. We have no Authority over him at all."

That seems to be both the height of doubt and unbelief and also an indictment from you that Jesus is a liar!

Tell me, believing as you do, in a lying and powerless God with a Devil that you can do nothing about... have you ever considered just crawling under a rock and dying?

[Justaned]

VictoryWord, my wife wants a divorce and won't go to marriage counseling. I've been doing spiritual warfare since July. At that time she forced me out of my home with a trumped up Order of Protection. The Devil is defeated and I am the righteousness of Christ and the Lord has promised to give me the desires of my heart and I am standing on the promises of God. I've had 4 dreams of reconciliation which encourages me. What's your advise? I have repented for not loving her as Christ loves the Church which was my biggest sin and have improved my time with the Lord in a major way. I thought Jesus had taken the chastisement of my peace at Calvary but I've had some tough days since I desperately miss my home and family. Others may comment.

Dolph
Do you have a pastor? You need to seeking his counsel not counsel from people that have no accountability to you.
If you don't have a pastor don't do anything until you get one. You need to make yourself accountable to a someone and have someone accountable to you. A public forum like this is not the place to seek spiritual guidance.

[Justaned]

Wow ED!

You just saw the WORD:

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

and then you still said: "We can't command Satan, Satan does not have to respond to us. We have no Authority over him at all."

That seems to be both the height of doubt and unbelief and also an indictment from you that Jesus is a liar!

Tell me, believing as you do, in a lying and powerless God with a Devil that you can do nothing about... have you ever considered just crawling under a rock and dying?

Okay what can you tell Satan to do that you know he must respond to?
I do not believe in a lying and powerless God I believe in a God of truth and almighty power that I can go to and tell HIm that I need His help and I can expect to get it. But that does not make me the victor or give me any authority over Satan. That victory and authority is Christ's and Christ's alone.

I can live a victorious life but not because I am the victor or wield authority but because I can call upon a holy and almighty God that will move heaven and earth to come to my aid. The victory and authority is not mine but His alone.
I have no authority other than that of a servant. Any response to me is not because of my authority but because of my masters authority.

[Justaned]

Jesus gained authority over satan as a man, He cast out demons healed the sick and raised the dead. And He said;

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." (John 14:12).

Jesus always had authority over Satan. Satan came to Jesus. Satan challenged Jesus. Jesus controlled the demons Satan's pawns. Satan's minions had to listen to Jesus and go against Satan. Jesus commanded Satan all along. Jesus always had authority over Satan.

What were Jesus' works? Temporal healings? I think not! Jesus' works was bringing man back into relationship with God for eternity. What is our work? To cast out demons, heal people, raise the dead? I think not! Jesus said go into all the world make disciples, baptize, teaching them of Jesus and how man can be in relationship with God. Focus on what is important, what is eternal and stop being sidetracked with temporal signs and wonders that Jesus said even the adversary will use to entice you away.

The greatest healing Jesus did was not to the physical body but to the spiritual body. A physical healing is temporal a spiritual healing where man is restored into relationship with God is eternal and that was Jesus' work one that would live for eternity.

[victoryword]

Thank you Victory Word for your wisdom. I was in a bit of a valley when I wrote the above comment. Since then I have come to realize that by spiritual relation with Christ needed to be improved. I had become to worldly minded and so-called successful in the world. Since my comment God has showed me that KNOWING Jesus and ENJOYING HIS PRESENCE is where I needed to be, focused on Him all day, that He would direct my paths if I "acknowledged Him in in all my ways" then He would direct my paths. Now the most important thing in my life is Jesus and wanting to know Him better, to practice His presence, He said He would never leave us or forsake us. WOW, isn't that great!!! Until we find ourselves in a big trial we can be playing too much of a religious game with God. That is why many trials come and we can count it all joy for them as scripture says.

Regarding my wife's will, I believe if God could get Saul of Tarsus' attention and turn him around, then He knows how to get my wife's attention. God hates divorce, is for marriage, hates lies, greed, unforgiveness, resentment, greed and wants my kids to have a father at home. I can also intercede for my wife and can resist the Devil and he must flee from her.

Since I have developed a better relationship with God I am optimistic that God will be working His methods with my wife who does love the Lord but had listened too much to the Devil the past few years and never discussed any problems with me before going to bed.(don't let the sun go down upon your wrath)

All your prayers are greatly appreciated. God bless you all.

You're welcome Dolph. Keep standing on what God has told you and don't back down.

[victoryword]

Wow ED!

You just saw the WORD:

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

and then you still said: "We can't command Satan, Satan does not have to respond to us. We have no Authority over him at all."

That seems to be both the height of doubt and unbelief and also an indictment from you that Jesus is a liar!

Tell me, believing as you do, in a lying and powerless God with a Devil that you can do nothing about... have you ever considered just crawling under a rock and dying?

Tell me about it. Sadly, Ed is representing what has become of many AG churches of today.

[Justaned]

Wow ED!

You just saw the WORD:

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

and then you still said: "We can't command Satan, Satan does not have to respond to us. We have no Authority over him at all."

That seems to be both the height of doubt and unbelief and also an indictment from you that Jesus is a liar!

Tell me, believing as you do, in a lying and powerless God with a Devil that you can do nothing about... have you ever considered just crawling under a rock and dying?

Tell me about it. Sadly, Ed is representing what has become of many AG churches of today.

Yes the AG churches are known for teaching the unadulterated truth. Not something that pumps people up so they come back next week but the truth for which to build a foundation and grow in the Lord.

[Watchman2013]

Good Afternoon, Justaned!

Absolutely correct, Sir, on all points. Jesus said to beware of he who can kill the soul- Satan. Jesus was quite definite in what His Work was, as well as what we are to do.

Yes, there still are signs, wonders, and miracles, but as Justaned said, what is more eternal? Salvation changes one from death and darkness, to light and life eternal, in Christ Jesus. That is ETERNAL. THAT is the fruit of God's Love, Mercy, Grace, and Kindness. Having a one-to-one, personal relationship with God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit- THAT IS PRICELESS!!!

To those here on the board... Which would you rather have, healing, that fades away with age and the body's susceptibility to the vagaries of entropy, gravity, and the nature of this fallen world? Or, would you rather have a constant foretaste of Heaven, always cognizant of being in God's Wondrous Presence?

Not a negative confession, as some might say, but I do have some health "issues." They are a constant nag, if I let them. So, I don't. I know that God Loves me. I also know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that His Presence in my life is sufficient for me. Period. Whether I stay, or whether I go, it's all His Will, for either way, I'm with Him...

Jehovah Jireh isn't just "a" name- He really is my provider. I lean on, and depend upon, Him. For everything. He has never failed me, left me, nor forsaken me. He is my all-in-all... I'm never alone, for He cares for me. He doesn't care if I sing slightly off-key, nor does He groan if I laugh at a dumb joke. He doesn't tell me, "Get lost, Kid, I got work to do..." Nope. He's the best friend, companion, mentor, and help, anyone could ever imagine- and He's more real to me, than whatever surrounds me... He is Eternal, Perfect, and Awesome...

I hope you all have the same relationship with Him, as I do... In a single word, for me, everything about Him is, Wonderful...

Have a great day in The Lord...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Justaned]

Good Afternoon, Justaned!

Absolutely correct, Sir, on all points. Jesus said to beware of he who can kill the soul- Satan. Jesus was quite definite in what His Work was, as well as what we are to do.

Yes, there still are signs, wonders, and miracles, but as Justaned said, what is more eternal? Salvation changes one from death and darkness, to light and life eternal, in Christ Jesus. That is ETERNAL. THAT is the fruit of God's Love, Mercy, Grace, and Kindness. Having a one-to-one, personal relationship with God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit- THAT IS PRICELESS!!!

To those here on the board... Which would you rather have, healing, that fades away with age and the body's susceptibility to the vagaries of entropy, gravity, and the nature of this fallen world? Or, would you rather have a constant foretaste of Heaven, always cognizant of being in God's Wondrous Presence?

Not a negative confession, as some might say, but I do have some health "issues." They are a constant nag, if I let them. So, I don't. I know that God Loves me. I also know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that His Presence in my life is sufficient for me. Period. Whether I stay, or whether I go, it's all His Will, for either way, I'm with Him...

Jehovah Jireh isn't just "a" name- He really is my provider. I lean on, and depend upon, Him. For everything. He has never failed me, left me, nor forsaken me. He is my all-in-all... I'm never alone, for He cares for me. He doesn't care if I sing slightly off-key, nor does He groan if I laugh at a dumb joke. He doesn't tell me, "Get lost, Kid, I got work to do..." Nope. He's the best friend, companion, mentor, and help, anyone could ever imagine- and He's more real to me, than whatever surrounds me... He is Eternal, Perfect, and Awesome...

I hope you all have the same relationship with Him, as I do... In a single word, for me, everything about Him is, Wonderful...

Have a great day in The Lord...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

Again truth for those that want truth.

My wife had a dear friend that has since gone on to be with the Lord. She had breast cancer that had gotten into her brain. Her testimony, if Jesus heals me I have more time with my family if I die I going home to be with the Lord.
The last time she was able to get to church her husband that she had been trying to lead to the Lord all their life together accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, after her death he was baptized and to God's glory he too went home to be with the Lord shortly there after. Together they spend eternity with Jesus knowing their children will soon be joining them. That is what this is all about a family that will spend eternity in heaven together. Praise the Lord!!!!!!

This woman was old time Pentecostal, Church of God Cleveland Tenn. Her and my wife were spiritual sisters and would spend hours praying together. Her life was a testament to God's love and her death is precious in the sight of the Lord. What glory!!!!!

[Watchman2013]

To God Be The Glory! You're right, Justaned. God is all about families. Sometimes, it's not the family of flesh and blood, that we reach, for some have no desire to be in God's Family. Praise God for Evangelism, and sharing God's Word! We do what we can, with God's Help, for without Him, there is no hope...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

P.S. What I cannot do, as regards certain family members, I pray, that God Will send to them, people that they will respect and listen to, and that their eyes be opened, ears be unstopped, and hearts be made tender, to believe, have faith in, and receive the Glorious Gospel of Christ Jesus, unto Salvation... So, even if I can't get in the door to their hearts, God can, and will send those that will deliver His Message!

W