Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ GOD IS IN CONTROL

[Justaned]

Thanks for your response.

Above you said: "God is in control but allows man to make his own decisions. Those decisions are often flesh driven and thus we have things like abortion, sin and all the rest of the mess that God allows us to bring upon ourselves."

OK so man makes his own decisions - so God is NOT in control of man's decisions according to you.

I think we are in agreement then that Man is in control of his own decisions and that part of man - God is NOT in control of. Right?

Bibleman
Unless you take this to some ridiculous level then yes I would say we agree. God does not violate man's free will. God is not in control of man's free will decision. However God can and often does control the out come of those decisions.

If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet.

Wow I feel like I must write like a lawyer and try to cover all bases so you can't convolute what I say into something I didn’t that is non scriptural.

[branham1965]

i believe you are right Reverend Bible.
what i dont know would fill a library.

God Is ALWAYS In Control. He always has been, and always will be, in control...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Ed,

That takes the cake!

So now you say God is responsible for all the abortions in America!

Is there no limit to your depraved thinking concerning our God?

Never said that!
I said God is in control and while God allowed those abortions they are the result of fallen man's bad decisions and sin.

OK,

So then according to you, man's fallen and bad decisions cause abortions - and God is not in control of that!

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ironman]

God limits Himself as to what He does, what He can and cannot do, and that being said, God has given man free moral agency to choose to do as he wills, and man alone is responsible for all his own personal discisions.
God is in control, but God does not control free moral agents.

[Justaned]

God limits Himself as to what He does, what He can and cannot do, and that being said, God has given man free moral agency to choose to do as he wills, and man alone is responsible for all his own personal discisions.
God is in control, but God does not control free moral agents.

I think that is what I said.

[bibleman]

Thanks for your response.

Above you said: "God is in control but allows man to make his own decisions. Those decisions are often flesh driven and thus we have things like abortion, sin and all the rest of the mess that God allows us to bring upon ourselves."

OK so man makes his own decisions - so God is NOT in control of man's decisions according to you.

I think we are in agreement then that Man is in control of his own decisions and that part of man - God is NOT in control of. Right?

Bibleman
Unless you take this to some ridiculous level then yes I would say we agree. God does not violate man's free will. God is not in control of man's free will decision. However God can and often does control the out come of those decisions.

If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet.

Wow I feel like I must write like a lawyer and try to cover all bases so you can't convolute what I say into something I didn’t that is non scriptural.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet."

So then if a man chooses to fire a gun at a man and the gun misfires, and then later while the man is cleaning the gun trying to dislodge the bullet from the gun... and it goes off and kills him... then are saying that WAS God's will?

I don't think I agree with that.

[Rocky]

I believe concerning God being in control or does He limit himself to adhere to free moral agency, scripture to me teaches both. God has incited people to do his will even using animals to influence his plan. But God has also limited his own foreknowledge to test certain individual as In the case of Abraham..
Here are a list of things God has permitted for his will to come to fruition
Satan, Animals, demon spirits, and man. Its pretty simple to me, it just takes theology or reformed theology to confuse this simple biblical understanding.

[Justaned]

Thanks for your response.

Above you said: "God is in control but allows man to make his own decisions. Those decisions are often flesh driven and thus we have things like abortion, sin and all the rest of the mess that God allows us to bring upon ourselves."

OK so man makes his own decisions - so God is NOT in control of man's decisions according to you.

I think we are in agreement then that Man is in control of his own decisions and that part of man - God is NOT in control of. Right?

Bibleman
Unless you take this to some ridiculous level then yes I would say we agree. God does not violate man's free will. God is not in control of man's free will decision. However God can and often does control the out come of those decisions.

If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet.

Wow I feel like I must write like a lawyer and try to cover all bases so you can't convolute what I say into something I didn’t that is non scriptural.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet."

So then if a man chooses to fire a gun at a man and the gun misfires, and then later while the man is cleaning the gun trying to dislodge the bullet from the gun... and it goes off and kills him... then are saying that WAS God's will?

I don't think I agree with that.

So off we go to some ridiculous level I mentioned.

It could be God's will.

It could be the guys fault for not unloading the gun before he cleans it as every Gun handler is or should be taught.

Or it could be a cheap gun.

Or it could be the guy is too stupid to own a gun.

Editted to add an option I had forgotten.

[bibleman]

Thanks for your response.

Above you said: "God is in control but allows man to make his own decisions. Those decisions are often flesh driven and thus we have things like abortion, sin and all the rest of the mess that God allows us to bring upon ourselves."

OK so man makes his own decisions - so God is NOT in control of man's decisions according to you.

I think we are in agreement then that Man is in control of his own decisions and that part of man - God is NOT in control of. Right?

Bibleman
Unless you take this to some ridiculous level then yes I would say we agree. God does not violate man's free will. God is not in control of man's free will decision. However God can and often does control the out come of those decisions.

If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet.

Wow I feel like I must write like a lawyer and try to cover all bases so you can't convolute what I say into something I didn’t that is non scriptural.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "If a man chooses to fire a gun at a man I believe God can make the gun misfire, the bullet miss, just slightly wound the man, seriously wound the man or kill the man or even effect someone else by ricochet."

So then if a man chooses to fire a gun at a man and the gun misfires, and then later while the man is cleaning the gun trying to dislodge the bullet from the gun... and it goes off and kills him... then are saying that WAS God's will?

I don't think I agree with that.

So off we go to some ridiculous level I mentioned.

It could be God's will.

It could be the guys fault for not unloading the gun before he cleans it as every Gun handler is or should be taught.

Or it could be a cheap gun.

Or it could be the guy is too stupid to own a gun.

Editted to add an option I had forgotten.

HI ed,

AND it could have been a stolen gun that was suppose to misfire on the original owner and since it was stolen then God's will was thwarted!

[macca]

Ugh, my head hurts, is that God's will or is it the result of trying to understand this thread?

[Ironman]

Ugh, my head hurts, is that God's will or is it the result of trying to understand this thread?

I'm kidding here.

Or it could be the Comm'o anti everything Greens Party who hate all law abiding firearms owners and want to ban all guns but so far have failed, so it might be their fault people have firearms and some who are too stupid to own even a razor blade have shot themselves ????????