Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ God will not allow difficulty unless He has a divine purpose

[bibleman]

[What purpose would God have in wanting someone to get drunk when HE told us NOT to get drunk in HIS Word.

That is a slap in the face to the integrity of God's Word!

Never said God wanted anyone to get drunk. I said the fact that someone got drunk would not surprise God and God would be able to use it for His purpose.

What purpose? Almost any from saving the man to using him as a bad example to someone else.

The quote you agreed to was: "God will not allow a difficulty unless He has a divine purpose for it."

So then the man can't get drunk UNLESS God has a purpose in him getting drunk.

Stupidity gone to seed!

I agree you display stupidity gone to seed
I never said anything about God willing someone to get drunk

You asked if I agreed to this statement. "God will not allow a difficulty unless He has a divine purpose for it."

I said I think God has a divine purpose in all things. Good things and bad things and even stupid things that we as humans do.

That does not say God wanted, willed to otherwise encouraged us to do them.
But it does display the might of God by saying God can then take those stupid things and use them for our good if we love God and are called to His purpose.

So how could a person who loves God and is called according to his purpose... get drunk - as being drunk is NOT his purpose?

Your Calvinism is showing big time here Ed.

[Justaned]

[What purpose would God have in wanting someone to get drunk when HE told us NOT to get drunk in HIS Word.

That is a slap in the face to the integrity of God's Word!

Never said God wanted anyone to get drunk. I said the fact that someone got drunk would not surprise God and God would be able to use it for His purpose.

What purpose? Almost any from saving the man to using him as a bad example to someone else.

The quote you agreed to was: "God will not allow a difficulty unless He has a divine purpose for it."

So then the man can't get drunk UNLESS God has a purpose in him getting drunk.

Stupidity gone to seed!

I agree you display stupidity gone to seed
I never said anything about God willing someone to get drunk

You asked if I agreed to this statement. "God will not allow a difficulty unless He has a divine purpose for it."

I said I think God has a divine purpose in all things. Good things and bad things and even stupid things that we as humans do.

That does not say God wanted, willed to otherwise encouraged us to do them.
But it does display the might of God by saying God can then take those stupid things and use them for our good if we love God and are called to His purpose.

So how could a person who loves God and is called according to his purpose... get drunk - as being drunk is NOT his purpose?

Your Calvinism is showing big time here Ed.

Once again your question was.

Joel Osteen Ministries
Nothing can happen without God's permission and God will not allow a difficulty unless He has a divine purpose for it. If you will keep your peace, you'll pass the test, and God will bring you out better than you were before.

To which I said I agreed.

You added all the craziness getting the guy drunk and all. None of which was mentioned by Osteen or myself.

I don't think someone that loves God drinks much less gets drunk. We are called to holiness. To me I would think that nobody is dumb enough to argue that drinking paves the road to holiness.

Now if that if calvinist then perhaps we need more calvin. However that isn't Calvinism at all it plain common sense you can be swilling beer and claim to following hard after God. God is never found in the bottom of a bottle.

Since you keep comming back to being drunk I wonder if you have a drinking problen that you would like to discuss?

[Rocky]

I disagree with Joel olsteen to simplify my response. I Believe we are free moral agents. Also sometimes things happen by chance and natural consequence in life. Let me give extreme example. You and your spouse are driving to church, a dog runs out in front of your car you swerve and wreck your car, your spouse is killed instantly by the impact, this to me has no purpose. I don't believe its always orchestrated by God or part of his eternal plan. Yes, I know about Job, But I am saying not in every instance its a Job situation. Now in some cases God does orchestrate things and situations, but not in every situation, Believing that will just lead to insanity..

[Justaned]

I disagree with Joel olsteen to simplify my response. I Believe we are free moral agents. Also sometimes things happen by chance and natural consciences in life. Let me give extreme example. You and your spouse are driving to church, a dog runs out in front of your car you swerve and wreck your car, your spouse is killed instantly by the impact, this to me has no purpose. I don't believe its always orchestrated by God or part of his eternal plan. Yes, I know about Job, But I am saying not in every instance its a Job situation. Now in some cases God does orchestrate things and situations, but not in every situation, Believing that will just lead to insanity..

So in effect you saying you believe in luck. In the case of the car it was simply lousy luck?
Scripture says precious in the sight of the Lord and the death of one of His saints. So you think God hands that preciousness over to luck?

[Rocky]

Not luck just a natural consequence of a dog running out in front of a car. We live here on earth not in Gods Kingdom yet. Sometimes the most darkest, tragic, twisted vile things can happen to Christian and unbelievers, it is the natural order of this falling cursed world we find ourselves in.

[Justaned]

Not luck just a natural consequence of a dog running out in front of a car. We live here on earth not in Gods Kingdom yet. Sometimes the most darkest, tragic, twisted vile things can happen to Christian and unbelievers, it is the natural order of this falling cursed world we find ourselves in.

Okay then call it kismet which is how islam explains away things.


Again remember the scripture precious in the sight of God is the death of one of his saints. I do not believe God allows something that precious to luck, kismet or natural consequence. I can only believe God's hand had to be in it or else I would throw up my hands and say what will be will be. That makes no sense to me.

[Rocky]

Not luck just a natural consequence of a dog running out in front of a car. We live here on earth not in Gods Kingdom yet. Sometimes the most darkest, tragic, twisted vile things can happen to Christian and unbelievers, it is the natural order of this falling cursed world we find ourselves in.

Okay then call it kismet which is how islam explains away things.


Again remember the scripture precious in the sight of God is the death of one of his saints. I do not believe God allows something that precious to luck, kismet or natural consequence. I can only believe God's hand had to be in it or else I would throw up my hands and say what will be will be. That makes no sense to me.

I said nothing about luck, did you actually read my reply? Uggh are you a kid? Sorry for the that you just don't sound like someone who has experienced much tragedy..

[Justaned]

Not luck just a natural consequence of a dog running out in front of a car. We live here on earth not in Gods Kingdom yet. Sometimes the most darkest, tragic, twisted vile things can happen to Christian and unbelievers, it is the natural order of this falling cursed world we find ourselves in.

Okay then call it kismet which is how islam explains away things.


Again remember the scripture precious in the sight of God is the death of one of his saints. I do not believe God allows something that precious to luck, kismet or natural consequence. I can only believe God's hand had to be in it or else I would throw up my hands and say what will be will be. That makes no sense to me.

I said nothing about luck, did you actually read my reply? Uggh are you a kid? Sorry for the that you just don't sound like someone who has experienced much tragedy..

Actually I have probably experienced more tragedy than you can imagine.
But by God's mercy, grace and love I was not defeated or brought down by it.

I mentioned luck, kismet and natural consequences because to me they are all do the same thing make God a spectator.

I don't believe God is ever a spectator but instead I see God as a very active participant in my life.

I can point to each failure, each lost, each tragedy, each bad circumstance, each adversity of life and see God in it but more importantly I see how each drew me closer to God. Each prepared me for the next and each made me more dependant on God.

Each called me into a deeper walk of holiness a desire to stay close to God and desire not to run ahead of God but to seek His advice in every future step I took.

Now I hear a lot of people say they don't learn from adversity but I don't think they realize that is where our learning comes from.

[macca]

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[branham1965]

ive done some horrible things in my days including getting stinking drunk and the Good Lord never had anything to do with it.
Many times He has had great mercy on me when i could have been shot and killed .Guns being drawn on me and other things.
i do think people who like ones ive heard on tv who have never taken a drink know nothing about it.
when i was a young boy.i never understood why Grandpa would get drunk and hit everybody.

addiction is a very powerful thing.it can go from the choice stage to the must have stage.then its hell on earth.