Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ A terrible instance of God NOT being in control!

[bibleman]

Here is a terrible instance of God NOT being in control that just happend down the road from my home town about 5 miles. Just happened today.

The Clinton Department of Public Safety and state law enforcement agencies are investigating a weekend incident that resulted in the death of one person.
Officials were called to the scene in Clinton on the evening of June 29. Laurens County Coroner Nick Nichols reported that the victim was 19-year-old **********l, of 702 Chestnut Street in Clinton.
Nichols later stated that the death was ruled a homicide due to asphyxiation by strangulation at approximately 12:02 a.m. on June 30.
The Clinton DPS is now seeking the public’s help in the investigation. Director Robin Morse said officers responded to a call shortly after 11 p.m. at 502 Calvert Avenue; there they found Asbill in cardiac arrest.
“She was transported to the Laurens County Hospital where she was pronounced dead. An autopsy has revealed that the victim died of asphyxiation due to strangulation,” Morse added.
The Laurens County Sheriff’s Office and SLED are conducting a joint investigation into Asbill’s death along with the Clinton DPS.
“We are interviewing witnesses and anyone who was with her last night to determine what happened,” Morse said.
Anyone with any information should call Crimestoppers at 68-CRIME or (864) 833-7512.

Here is what some well meaning miss-informed person wrote:
Dear ...,
We cannot begin to understand what you are going through during this time of loss in the tragic death of **********. Sometimes it is not for us to understand, but to just trust in a loving God that has a reason for bringing us to these times. All we can do is pray that He will wrap His loving arms around you and give you peace and comfort. If He brings you to it, He will bring you through it....one day at a time. Love to you all.
http://www.grayfuneralhome.com/obituari ... ributeWall

What reason could God have had in this as this person falsely alleges of God?

There is no way that God was in control of this terrible death.

It is this kind of doubt and unbelief that causes people to NOT want to serve God.

Can you imagine someone telling the parents of this precious young lady that "God was in Control?"

Maybe an issue such as this will give Ed a chance to rethink his theology.

[JAMEY]

Bibleman I agree!!!

[victoryword]

Pastor Leon

Thank you for posting this. I have worked on an outline of a book I intend to write titled "God Is in Control? What Meaneth Thou?"

I think that the info in your post, if you don't object, may be used in my introduction.

[bibleman]

Pastor Leon

Thank you for posting this. I have worked on an outline of a book I intend to write titled "God Is in Control? What Meaneth Thou?"

I think that the info in your post, if you don't object, may be used in my introduction.

Hey Troy,

The info is at the links as posted. I don't know what the copyright issues would be, you might could look on those pages and get that information.

Also, I think I would for sure NOT use the name of the young lady and would change the name of the town.

But it is a tragic story and even more tragic for eternities sake as people blame it on God. No doubt on the Gray Funeral home link you see others who are no doubt saying the same thing.

[branham1965]

Im very interested as to what folks on here who think God is not in control of the world and the Universe....would tell this girls family.
What do you tell a father and Mother whose daughter has been murdered in the prime of her life!!!???

Here is a terrible instance of God NOT being in control that just happend down the road from my home town about 5 miles. Just happened today.

The Clinton Department of Public Safety and state law enforcement agencies are investigating a weekend incident that resulted in the death of one person.
Officials were called to the scene in Clinton on the evening of June 29. Laurens County Coroner Nick Nichols reported that the victim was 19-year-old **********l, of 702 Chestnut Street in Clinton.
Nichols later stated that the death was ruled a homicide due to asphyxiation by strangulation at approximately 12:02 a.m. on June 30.
The Clinton DPS is now seeking the public’s help in the investigation. Director Robin Morse said officers responded to a call shortly after 11 p.m. at 502 Calvert Avenue; there they found Asbill in cardiac arrest.
“She was transported to the Laurens County Hospital where she was pronounced dead. An autopsy has revealed that the victim died of asphyxiation due to strangulation,” Morse added.
The Laurens County Sheriff’s Office and SLED are conducting a joint investigation into Asbill’s death along with the Clinton DPS.
“We are interviewing witnesses and anyone who was with her last night to determine what happened,” Morse said.
Anyone with any information should call Crimestoppers at 68-CRIME or (864) 833-7512.

Here is what some well meaning miss-informed person wrote:
Dear ...,
We cannot begin to understand what you are going through during this time of loss in the tragic death of **********. Sometimes it is not for us to understand, but to just trust in a loving God that has a reason for bringing us to these times. All we can do is pray that He will wrap His loving arms around you and give you peace and comfort. If He brings you to it, He will bring you through it....one day at a time. Love to you all.
http://www.grayfuneralhome.com/obituari ... ributeWall

What reason could God have had in this as this person falsely alleges of God?

There is no way that God was in control of this terrible death.

It is this kind of doubt and unbelief that causes people to NOT want to serve God.

Can you imagine someone telling the parents of this precious young lady that "God was in Control?"

Maybe an issue such as this will give Ed a chance to rethink his theology.

[the_truth]

I one of the ones that thinks and believes because the Scripture attest that "GOD is in control of ALL things. It does not mean that HE is the author of every act of every thing that man does. The tragic events that happen in this world are not of GOD in some cases. Some things happen in this world because of Judgement. And why is there is Judgement, it is not because GOD desires it, but it is because of man's disobedience. There is sickness and illnesses and tragic events that befall some of the Saints. The source IS NOT because of GOD. The source is NOT because of the SAINTS, but it is because of the EVIL ONE whom GOD has allowed to be Prince, NOT KING, of the World because of MAN's sin and man giving up HIS rulership in the Earth. GOD is in control of THIS Earth because everything in the Earth and the fullness thereof is HIS. But there is an important point to remember: HIS Word contains judgement. And in HIS judgement HE has allowed SATAN to rule this Earth because of man's sin. What many don't understand is how does evil happen and bad things happen to the good. And so to justify that evil and can happen to the good and bad, the position is taken that GOD cannot be in control because why would he allow it to happen if HE was in CONTROL. Well HIS word allows it and GOD can't go back on HIS Word nor contradict it. HIS Word allows for judgement and allows for the rain to come upon the just and the unjust and the sun to shine upon the good and bad.

So the death of that woman was not because of GOD, but because of SATAN HIMSELF and man's sinful act. Though GOD could have stopped that death in the twinkling of an eye, HE was bound by HIS word to not do so and allow it to happen. It grieved HIM to see HIS children murdered just like it grieved HIM to see HIS Prophets murdered one by one. And whom am I to judge HIM and say WHY? And it wasn't because HE didn't have the Power because HE does. Whom am I or anybody to judge THE FATHER. The book of Job explains it all. Some believe that GOD is like a man. And don't know what's about to happen. But I say as the Prophet David said in Psalm 139. David read the same book I read(The Holy Scriptures) and I agree with David .The Spirit spoke through David and said " O LORD, Thou has searched me and know me. Thou dost KNOW when I sit down and when I rise up. Thou dost understand my thought AFAR. Thou dost scrutinize my path and my lying down. And are intimately acquainted with ALL my ways. Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold O LORD Thou dost KNOW IT ALL." That sums up for me. GOD didn't need to man to know every time David rose or slept or anytime he spoke a word. HE KNEW already. But THE FATHER from on HIGH allowed David to experience the good and bad knowing this fact that David is/was a MAN after HIS heart.

I can harmonize every verse going from Gen to Rev that assume GOD does not know with all the verses the Prophets spoke and said HE KNOWS.... I FIND NO FAULT with GOD being in CONTROL.

I would use the Scripture to support the family grief. I don't need to tell them WHY this happened, but I would tell them this grief is temporary. Your daughter is JUST SLEEP, for the GOD you serve is a GOD of the Living and not the Dead.

[Justaned]

Is there anything worst than death?

[branham1965]

LET IT BE YOUR CHILD. THEN ITS A DIFFERENT STORY.

[Justaned]

I didn't say it was good thing Billy. And a lost of child would be the worst things that could happen to a parent.

However what if her parents get to heaven and find out had she not died she would have lost her soul and spent eternity in hell but instead she is united with her parents in heaven to live with them through eternity. Then would it be so bad?

The fact is we don't know, perhaps she was going to burn to death in the near future, or die from a horrible disease, or be kidnapped used as a sex slave and eventually murdered by being abused until she died. Would her death now seem so bad?

The fact is we don't know but we have to believe God does and we have to believe in God's promise that He will make all things work to the good for those that love Him and are called to his purpose.

God's son died a horrible death, and did it for one reason for you and for me. Now that you know what took place would you want God to changed events so Jesus didn't die?

[Justaned]

I don't know anything about the circumstances of this precious young girls life, but I do know her death did not surprise God. He allowed it.

I'm not saying God caused it, wanted, ordained it.

But God allowed it and if it had not served His purpose God would have prevented it.

When we get to heaven I absolutely believe when everything is revealed we will see this young woman's life and death was not without purpose and that the final results for her, her parents and those that were effected by her death will be for the good if they love God and were called to God purpose.

I simply could not continue to have a desire for life if I thought God couldn't stop her death or that her death will not work to the Good of all those effected by it if they love God and are called to God's purpose. For me to believe anything else would reduce God to a non God and my faith and trust in Him worthless. Life would be meaningless.