Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ PROOF OF A PREE-ADAMITE WORLD

[Ironman]

By Finis Jennings Dake, who found all these Scriptures and put them together for us so that we can understand and believe what we read in Scripture. When we can figure out when "In the beginning" was, then we will be able to figure out when God created the Heavens, the Earth, and all there in. John 1:1, Gen. 1:1. Both start with "In the beginning!

Scriptures when read in context teaches there was life on Earth before Adam. In Coll. 1:15-18 we read of Christ creating thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers in Heaven and on Earth. They were located somewhere in the heavens and on the Earth. Lucifer was given a kingdom here on Earth, as proved by the passages cited above. His own subjects were earthly creatures of various kinds which were destroyed when the flood of Gen. 1:2 came upon the Earth. God created the Earth to be inhabited by earthly creatures (Isa. 45:18). They are called "nations" in the above passages. The demons who are now Satans emissaries could well be the spirits of the pre-Adamites. At any rate they are not part of the creation at the time of Adam. Thus Isaiah teaches the the Earth was inhabited before Adam and was ruled by Lucifer, who's kingdom was overthrown when he rebelled.

Bible tells us that, "In the beginning [literally, by periods or ages] God created the heaven [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth," it does not say "Six thousand years ago God created the heavens and the earth," as is generally taught by man. Does anyone know just when the beginning was? If anyone does know, then they know more than God as revealed. If no one knows just when the beginning was then it stands to reason that we just do not know and therefore, we should not teach that the beginning was 6,000 years ago. As far as any man knows it could have been six billion years ago.

When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life in Earth, we can speak with definate authority that it was 6,000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam.

Some teachers use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6,000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew, asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word bara, to creat. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create.

Undoubtedly, God created and made the different parts of the material universe and each thing therein, using the same care as in the six days when He restored the planet Earth to a habitable state and made a new order of Earth creatures, after its destruction and ruin caused by the first war ever fought. This war was a cataclismic battle between God and Satan, when Lucifer invaded Heaven to cast God out. Satan was defeated and cast back down to the Earth, as is written in Isa. 14:12-14; Luke 10:18. This war was fought long before the days of Adam, for Lucifer was already a fallen creature when he came into Adams Eden. For an unknown period, there was an original social system on this Earth ruled by Lucifer as proved in (Isa. 14:12-14; 45:18; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17; 2 Pet. 3:5-7). Along with this origional social system there were land animals, birds, fish, and other creatures created, and they were destroyed in the flood of Gen. 1:2; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-7. It is to this period that all fossils and remains of animals belong, as well as geological formations of the Earth.
Between these original creation's of God, "In the beginning' and the creations of the six days, is revealed the rule of Lucifer on the earth for an unknown period, his rebellion against God, the Earth's first sinful career, the defeat of Lucifer by God, and the overthrow of his kingdom by the first recorded flood on the earth in Gen. 1:2. Lucifer was the first ruler on the earth and he already had his period of Earth rule and his fall by the time of Adam.

In the work of the six days, it is stated that God with His hands FORMED each of the living creatures and man out of the dust of the ground (Gen. 1:20-27; 2:7-25; Job 26:13; Rom. 9:20; 1 Tim. 2:13). It is not only clear that God created the heavens and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period, but it is also clear the God FORMED all things with His hands. God formed both light anddarkness (Isa. 24:7). He did not do this on the first day of Gen 1:3-5, for at that time He merely DIVIDED them. Therefore THEY MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED AND FORMED before the first day. It is also stated that God with His hands FORMED the Earth (Ps. 8:3, 6; 90:2; 95:5); the heavens (Ps. 8:3; 9:1; 102:25; Isa. 40:12; the planets (Ps.8:3; Isa. 40:26; 45:12; 48:13; Heb. 1:10) and all things (Prov. 26:10). From a study of all these Scriptures and those on the creation af all things, it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence, and then by His hands God formed the materials into the various parts of the universe. That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence and as fast as they materialized He used them to form all things with His hands. (Ps. 8:3; 2 Pet. 3:3-9; Prov. 26:10).

Judging from what was done by God in six days, it took God a long time to originnaly create or bring into existence the material and use it to form with His hands each sun, moon, star, planet, and each creature that inhabits the vast endless universe. God took one day to merly divide the light from the darkness on this little planet Earth. How much time He originally took to bring into existence all the light and darkness of the entire universe is not known, but evidently He took a longer time than one day. God took one day to divide the waters which covered the Earth and restore the firmament and took one day to restore the earth and set bounds to the seas, therefore He naturally took a much longer period to originally bring the materials into existence and form the waters, the firmament, and the earth with its many mountains and valleys. God took one day to complete solar regulation in connection with the restored Earth, but He evidently used a much longer period to originally bring into existence and formed with His own hands the vast heavens and all the suns, moons, stars, and planets that are without number. God took two days to form the fish, fowls, beasts,, man and woman. He naturally took a much longer period to originally creat and form each inhabitant of the vast heavens and the many animals and inhabitants who originally lived on the Earth during Lucifer's kingdom, long before the chaos of Gen 1:2 and the six days of Gen.1:3-2-25.

In other words, if God took six days to restore one little planet to a habitable state and form new inhabitants for the earth, He would naturally take a much longer time to originally create and form with His hands the vast universe with all of its innumerable suns and planets along with their inhabitants


There is so, so much more found in Scripture regarding this doctrin, many dozens of Scriptures support this. If this is false teaching, it amuses me that no one comes up with nothing more than Noah's flood, which occured much later, did not compleatly destroy the Earth, shake mountains, turn them upside down, turned off the stars and the sun so that there was no light. God had already created the Heavens, they were in existence as well as the Earth only their lights were withheld from shining on the Earth thus causing darkness Gen. 1:2. There was no darkness during Noah's flood? There were men and animals on the earth before Noah's flood, and Noah and his family and the animals survived the flood and were on the Eart after it?

That the Earth ONLY was (became) without form and void (Hebrew tohu vabobu, litterally wast and ruin or desolate and empty), as in Gen. 1:2. That there were mountains of Earth that were shaken and turned upside down by an earthquake so severe, which no doubt caused the remains of animals to be deposited in the very depths of the Earth beneath many layers of solid rock, such as are now been found. Noah's flood never buried animals hundreds of meters beneath solid rock.

Many other scriptures apart from those above can be presented to prove the doctrin of a pre-Adamite world.

To try and put this in a nutshell, God created the heavens first, then the Earth, all in the beginning or in the dateless past (Gen. 1:1; Job 38:4-7). He caused the heavens and the Earth to be inhabited and gave Lucifer control of the Earth-kingdom, don't believe me, read, (Coll. 1:15-18; Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

Lucifer ruled the earth for God for an unknown period before he rebelled and invaded heaven to try and dethrone God.

This is not my idea, read (Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14). He was defeated and his kingdom on Earth was destroyed by a flood and the fierce anger of God (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

The Earth was turned upside down, a process which caused all the present formations of the Earth. The flood remained on the Earth for an unknown period of time, and then God in six days restored the Earth to a habitable state and made Adam and Eve and his creation to carry out the original plan of God concerning the Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25).

There were two floods which destroyed the Earth! The first destroyed it completly, the second not. Noah, his family and animals were not destroyed. Also the light, sun moon and stars remained shining upon the Earth.

God did destroy the Earth and flood it as Scripture plainly shows, There was Lucifers flood, and Noah's flood. Noahs flood was world wide because the only people left were Noah and his family who were on the ark with him. The purpos of Noahs flood was to destroy all mankind including the giants.

There are definate contrasts between the flood of Lucifer Gen. 1:2, and the flood of Noah. The two floods are completly different floods and occured at different times. The first, Lucifers flood is the flood on the earth "That then was." Noah's flood was on the earth "That now is."

Calling Lucifers flood L.F. and calling Noah's flood N.F. we can see scripturally that they are two different floods.


L.F. Earth made waste (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Earth not made waste (Gen. 8:11-12, 22 ; Heb. 11:7 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).


L.F. Earth made empty (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23).
N.F. Earth not made empty (Gen. 6:18-22 ; 8:16).

L.F. Earth made totally dark (Gen. 1:2-5 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Not made totally dark (Gen. 8:6-22)

L.F. No light from heaven (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Light from heaven (Gen. 8:6-22).

L.F. No day and night (Gen. 1:2-5).
N.F. Day and night (Gen. 8:1-22).

L.F. All vegetation destroyed Gen. 1:2 ; 2:5-6 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Vegetation not destroyed (Gen. 8:11, 21 ; 9:3, 20).

L.F. No continued abating of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Continued abating of the waters from the earth by evaporation (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. Waters taken off the earth in one day (Gen. 1:10).
N.F. Months of waters abating off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. God supernaturally takes waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. No rebuke or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12 ; Ps. 104:7).
N.F. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. The waters on earth in Gen. 1:2, hasted away when rebuked (Gen. 1:6-2 ; Ps. 104:9).
N.F. The bounds already eternally set for waters in Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. All fish were totally destroyed in flood of Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. No fish were destroyed of created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23 ; 6:18-22).

L.F. No fowles left on the earth after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Fowles were left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:7-17).

L.F. No animals left after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Some of all animals kept alive (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:17 ; 9:2-4, 10-16).

L.F. No man left on earth in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Eight men and women left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:18 ; 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No social system left at all in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. A social system left after Noah's flood (Gen. 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No ark made to save men in Gen. 1:2 ; jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. An ark made to save men and animals alive (Gen. 6:8-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16 ; Heb. 11:7).

L.F. Cause: fall of Lucifer, now Satan (Isa. 14:12-14; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17 ; Luke 10:18).
N.F. Cause: wickedness of men (Gen. 6:5-13) ; and fallen angels (Gen. 6:1-4; Jude 6-7 ; 2 Pet. 2:4).

L.F. Result: became necessary to make new life on earth (Gen. 1:3-2 : 25 ; Isa. 45:18 ; Eph. 3:11).
N.F. Results: no new creation made, for all men and animals were not destroyed (Gen. 6:18-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16).


"God's Plan for Man, by Finis Jennings Dake."

[Ray]

By Finis Jennings Dake, who found all these Scriptures and put them together for us so that we can understand and believe what we read in Scripture. When we can figure out when "In the beginning" was, then we will be able to figure out when God created the Heavens, the Earth, and all there in. John 1:1, Gen. 1:1. Both start with "In the beginning!

Scriptures when read in context teaches there was life on Earth before Adam. In Coll. 1:15-18 we read of Christ creating thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers in Heaven and on Earth. They were located somewhere in the heavens and on the Earth. Lucifer was given a kingdom here on Earth, as proved by the passages cited above. His own subjects were earthly creatures of various kinds which were destroyed when the flood of Gen. 1:2 came upon the Earth. God created the Earth to be inhabited by earthly creatures (Isa. 45:18). They are called "nations" in the above passages. The demons who are now Satans emissaries could well be the spirits of the pre-Adamites. At any rate they are not part of the creation at the time of Adam. Thus Isaiah teaches the the Earth was inhabited before Adam and was ruled by Lucifer, who's kingdom was overthrown when he rebelled.

Bible tells us that, "In the beginning [literally, by periods or ages] God created the heaven [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth," it does not say "Six thousand years ago God created the heavens and the earth," as is generally taught by man. Does anyone know just when the beginning was? If anyone does know, then they know more than God as revealed. If no one knows just when the beginning was then it stands to reason that we just do not know and therefore, we should not teach that the beginning was 6,000 years ago. As far as any man knows it could have been six billion years ago.

When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life in Earth, we can speak with definate authority that it was 6,000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam.

Some teachers use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6,000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew, asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word bara, to creat. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create.

Undoubtedly, God created and made the different parts of the material universe and each thing therein, using the same care as in the six days when He restored the planet Earth to a habitable state and made a new order of Earth creatures, after its destruction and ruin caused by the first war ever fought. This war was a cataclismic battle between God and Satan, when Lucifer invaded Heaven to cast God out. Satan was defeated and cast back down to the Earth, as is written in Isa. 14:12-14; Luke 10:18. This war was fought long before the days of Adam, for Lucifer was already a fallen creature when he came into Adams Eden. For an unknown period, there was an original social system on this Earth ruled by Lucifer as proved in (Isa. 14:12-14; 45:18; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17; 2 Pet. 3:5-7). Along with this origional social system there were land animals, birds, fish, and other creatures created, and they were destroyed in the flood of Gen. 1:2; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-7. It is to this period that all fossils and remains of animals belong, as well as geological formations of the Earth.
Between these original creation's of God, "In the beginning' and the creations of the six days, is revealed the rule of Lucifer on the earth for an unknown period, his rebellion against God, the Earth's first sinful career, the defeat of Lucifer by God, and the overthrow of his kingdom by the first recorded flood on the earth in Gen. 1:2. Lucifer was the first ruler on the earth and he already had his period of Earth rule and his fall by the time of Adam.

In the work of the six days, it is stated that God with His hands FORMED each of the living creatures and man out of the dust of the ground (Gen. 1:20-27; 2:7-25; Job 26:13; Rom. 9:20; 1 Tim. 2:13). It is not only clear that God created the heavens and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period, but it is also clear the God FORMED all things with His hands. God formed both light anddarkness (Isa. 24:7). He did not do this on the first day of Gen 1:3-5, for at that time He merely DIVIDED them. Therefore THEY MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED AND FORMED before the first day. It is also stated that God with His hands FORMED the Earth (Ps. 8:3, 6; 90:2; 95:5); the heavens (Ps. 8:3; 9:1; 102:25; Isa. 40:12; the planets (Ps.8:3; Isa. 40:26; 45:12; 48:13; Heb. 1:10) and all things (Prov. 26:10). From a study of all these Scriptures and those on the creation af all things, it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence, and then by His hands God formed the materials into the various parts of the universe. That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence and as fast as they materialized He used them to form all things with His hands. (Ps. 8:3; 2 Pet. 3:3-9; Prov. 26:10).

Judging from what was done by God in six days, it took God a long time to originnaly create or bring into existence the material and use it to form with His hands each sun, moon, star, planet, and each creature that inhabits the vast endless universe. God took one day to merly divide the light from the darkness on this little planet Earth. How much time He originally took to bring into existence all the light and darkness of the entire universe is not known, but evidently He took a longer time than one day. God took one day to divide the waters which covered the Earth and restore the firmament and took one day to restore the earth and set bounds to the seas, therefore He naturally took a much longer period to originally bring the materials into existence and form the waters, the firmament, and the earth with its many mountains and valleys. God took one day to complete solar regulation in connection with the restored Earth, but He evidently used a much longer period to originally bring into existence and formed with His own hands the vast heavens and all the suns, moons, stars, and planets that are without number. God took two days to form the fish, fowls, beasts,, man and woman. He naturally took a much longer period to originally creat and form each inhabitant of the vast heavens and the many animals and inhabitants who originally lived on the Earth during Lucifer's kingdom, long before the chaos of Gen 1:2 and the six days of Gen.1:3-2-25.

In other words, if God took six days to restore one little planet to a habitable state and form new inhabitants for the earth, He would naturally take a much longer time to originally create and form with His hands the vast universe with all of its innumerable suns and planets along with their inhabitants


There is so, so much more found in Scripture regarding this doctrin, many dozens of Scriptures support this. If this is false teaching, it amuses me that no one comes up with nothing more than Noah's flood, which occured much later, did not compleatly destroy the Earth, shake mountains, turn them upside down, turned off the stars and the sun so that there was no light. God had already created the Heavens, they were in existence as well as the Earth only their lights were withheld from shining on the Earth thus causing darkness Gen. 1:2. There was no darkness during Noah's flood? There were men and animals on the earth before Noah's flood, and Noah and his family and the animals survived the flood and were on the Eart after it?

That the Earth ONLY was (became) without form and void (Hebrew tohu vabobu, litterally wast and ruin or desolate and empty), as in Gen. 1:2. That there were mountains of Earth that were shaken and turned upside down by an earthquake so severe, which no doubt caused the remains of animals to be deposited in the very depths of the Earth beneath many layers of solid rock, such as are now been found. Noah's flood never buried animals hundreds of meters beneath solid rock.

Many other scriptures apart from those above can be presented to prove the doctrin of a pre-Adamite world.

To try and put this in a nutshell, God created the heavens first, then the Earth, all in the beginning or in the dateless past (Gen. 1:1; Job 38:4-7). He caused the heavens and the Earth to be inhabited and gave Lucifer control of the Earth-kingdom, don't believe me, read, (Coll. 1:15-18; Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

Lucifer ruled the earth for God for an unknown period before he rebelled and invaded heaven to try and dethrone God.

This is not my idea, read (Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14). He was defeated and his kingdom on Earth was destroyed by a flood and the fierce anger of God (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

The Earth was turned upside down, a process which caused all the present formations of the Earth. The flood remained on the Earth for an unknown period of time, and then God in six days restored the Earth to a habitable state and made Adam and Eve and his creation to carry out the original plan of God concerning the Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25).

There were two floods which destroyed the Earth! The first destroyed it completly, the second not. Noah, his family and animals were not destroyed. Also the light, sun moon and stars remained shining upon the Earth.

God did destroy the Earth and flood it as Scripture plainly shows, There was Lucifers flood, and Noah's flood. Noahs flood was world wide because the only people left were Noah and his family who were on the ark with him. The purpos of Noahs flood was to destroy all mankind including the giants.

There are definate contrasts between the flood of Lucifer Gen. 1:2, and the flood of Noah. The two floods are completly different floods and occured at different times. The first, Lucifers flood is the flood on the earth "That then was." Noah's flood was on the earth "That now is."

Calling Lucifers flood L.F. and calling Noah's flood N.F. we can see scripturally that they are two different floods.


L.F. Earth made waste (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Earth not made waste (Gen. 8:11-12, 22 ; Heb. 11:7 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).


L.F. Earth made empty (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23).
N.F. Earth not made empty (Gen. 6:18-22 ; 8:16).

L.F. Earth made totally dark (Gen. 1:2-5 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Not made totally dark (Gen. 8:6-22)

L.F. No light from heaven (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Light from heaven (Gen. 8:6-22).

L.F. No day and night (Gen. 1:2-5).
N.F. Day and night (Gen. 8:1-22).

L.F. All vegetation destroyed Gen. 1:2 ; 2:5-6 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Vegetation not destroyed (Gen. 8:11, 21 ; 9:3, 20).

L.F. No continued abating of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Continued abating of the waters from the earth by evaporation (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. Waters taken off the earth in one day (Gen. 1:10).
N.F. Months of waters abating off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. God supernaturally takes waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. No rebuke or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12 ; Ps. 104:7).
N.F. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. The waters on earth in Gen. 1:2, hasted away when rebuked (Gen. 1:6-2 ; Ps. 104:9).
N.F. The bounds already eternally set for waters in Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. All fish were totally destroyed in flood of Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. No fish were destroyed of created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23 ; 6:18-22).

L.F. No fowles left on the earth after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Fowles were left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:7-17).

L.F. No animals left after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Some of all animals kept alive (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:17 ; 9:2-4, 10-16).

L.F. No man left on earth in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Eight men and women left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:18 ; 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No social system left at all in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. A social system left after Noah's flood (Gen. 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No ark made to save men in Gen. 1:2 ; jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. An ark made to save men and animals alive (Gen. 6:8-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16 ; Heb. 11:7).

L.F. Cause: fall of Lucifer, now Satan (Isa. 14:12-14; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17 ; Luke 10:18).
N.F. Cause: wickedness of men (Gen. 6:5-13) ; and fallen angels (Gen. 6:1-4; Jude 6-7 ; 2 Pet. 2:4).

L.F. Result: became necessary to make new life on earth (Gen. 1:3-2 : 25 ; Isa. 45:18 ; Eph. 3:11).
N.F. Results: no new creation made, for all men and animals were not destroyed (Gen. 6:18-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16).


"God's Plan for Man, by Finis Jennings Dake."

Hello Haz,

To speak of what is Clearly given in the Scriptures we see what was of the
FIRST DAY of Creation. There cannot be a Day and Night that The Heavens and Earth existed BEFORE the First Day.
Genesis 1:5
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 2 Speaks of The Heavens and Earth "When they were created".
Genesis 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Haz, above you mentioned:
" Some teachers use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6,000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew, asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word bara, to creat. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create."

The Hebrew word "asah" used for the English words "Make or Made" does in fact speak of creation. In the verses below it is Clearly given that " in six days the Lord made (asah) heaven and earth.
Exodus 20:1
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Haz,
If the hebrew word "asah" does not as you say speak of Creation, Why is the word "asah" used for the english words make and made in the verses which are Clearly all part of the 6 days of Creation Below?

Genesis 1:7
7 And God MADE (asah) the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16
16 And God MADE (asah) two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he MADE (asah) the stars also.

Genesis 1:25
25 And God MADE (asah) the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us MAKE (asah) man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:31
31 And God saw every thing that he had MADE (asah), and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

If anyone would look into any Hebrew Lexicon such as Strong's they wouls see that what I have presented is accurate.

I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

[branham1965]

i aint buying what you are selling Ray.no way.

i will believe Reverend Dake anyday .i see his fruits and they are so many there is no comparison to any other Bible Scholar i have ever known of.

GOD ENDOWED REVEREND DAKE WITH SUPERNATURAL DIVINE GIFTS TO SHARE THE WORD OF GOD ,UNLOCK ITS MYSTERIES, AND BLESS UNTOLD MULTITUDES OF HUNGRY SOULS DURING HIS LIFE AND EVEN YEARS AFTER.

[Justaned]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

[bibleman]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

[Justaned]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

How many books on the Pre Adamite world do I own?
Other than Dakes books non.
Since it obviously can't be proven by scripture so why would I want to read more idle speculation.

I guess there is could be some case made for reading about it more. But I think it could become like the old adage of a lie repeated often enough it becomes truth. That is not saying Pre Adamite world is a lie simply unprovable. But if one were to always read about it, dwelt upon it, immersing one's person into it long enough it could become fact like to them. While the rest of us still view it as idle speculation.

[bibleman]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

How many books on the Pre Adamite world do I own?
Other than Dakes books non.
Since it obviously can't be proven by scripture so why would I want to read more idle speculation.

I guess there is could be some case made for reading about it more. But I think it could become like the old adage of a lie repeated often enough it becomes truth. That is not saying Pre Adamite world is a lie simply unprovable. But if one were to always read about it, dwelt upon it, immersing one's person into it long enough it could become fact like to them. While the rest of us still view it as idle speculation.

Hi Ed,

Above when asked how many books on the Pre-adamite world do you own, you replied: NONE!

May I say that anyone reading your comments on the subject would already know that.

[Justaned]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

How many books on the Pre Adamite world do I own?
Other than Dakes books non.
Since it obviously can't be proven by scripture so why would I want to read more idle speculation.

I guess there is could be some case made for reading about it more. But I think it could become like the old adage of a lie repeated often enough it becomes truth. That is not saying Pre Adamite world is a lie simply unprovable. But if one were to always read about it, dwelt upon it, immersing one's person into it long enough it could become fact like to them. While the rest of us still view it as idle speculation.

Hi Ed,

Above when asked how many books on the Pre-adamite world do you own, you replied: NONE!

May I say that anyone reading your comments on the subject would already know that.

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

[bibleman]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

How many books on the Pre Adamite world do I own?
Other than Dakes books non.
Since it obviously can't be proven by scripture so why would I want to read more idle speculation.

I guess there is could be some case made for reading about it more. But I think it could become like the old adage of a lie repeated often enough it becomes truth. That is not saying Pre Adamite world is a lie simply unprovable. But if one were to always read about it, dwelt upon it, immersing one's person into it long enough it could become fact like to them. While the rest of us still view it as idle speculation.

Hi Ed,

Above when asked how many books on the Pre-adamite world do you own, you replied: NONE!

May I say that anyone reading your comments on the subject would already know that.

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

Another "I don't know what I am talking about" comment!

It is sort of like me talking as an authority on being a chef! Just because I eat food does not mean I know how to cook it.

[Rocky]

Ed your quote:

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

Ed your reading material:




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