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[bibleman]

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Adam Clarke has a great comment on this verse.

And being made perfect—Και τελειωθεις· And having finished all—having died and risen again. Τελειωθηναι signifies to have obtained the goal; to have ended one's labor, and enjoyed the fruits of it. Chap. 12:23: The spirits of just men made perfect, πνευμασι δικαιων τετελειωμενων, means the souls of those who have gained the goal, and obtained the prize. So, when Christ had finished his course of tremendous sufferings, and consummated the whole by his death and resurrection, he became αιτιος σωτηριας αιωνιου, the cause of eternal salvation unto all them who obey him. He was consecrated both highs priest and sacrifice by his offering upon the cross.

"In this verse," says Dr. Macknight, "three things are clearly stated:

1. That obedience to Christ is equally necessary to salvation with believing on him.
2. That he was made perfect as a high priest by offering himself a sacrifice for sin, 8:3.
3. That, by the merit of that sacrifice, he hath obtained pardon and eternal life for them who obey him."

He tasted death for every man; but he is the author and cause of eternal salvation only to them who obey him. It is not merely believers, but obedient believers, that shall be finally saved. Therefore this text is an absolute, unimpeachable evidence, that it is not the imputed obedience of Christ that saves any man. Christ has bought men by his blood; and by the infinite merit of his death he has purchased for them an endless glory; but, in order to be prepared for it, the sinner must, through that grace which God withholds from no man, repent, turn from sin, believe on Jesus as being a sufficient ransom and sacrifice for his soul, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, be a worker together with him, walk in conformity to the Divine will through this Divine aid, and continue faithful unto death, through him, out of whose fullness he may receive grace upon grace.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Hebrews".

This REQUIRED obedience to Christ, does away with the compromisers who would tell us that you can get saved and then still live like the Devil and still make it into Heaven (as Ed tells us).

[Justaned]

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Adam Clarke has a great comment on this verse.

And being made perfect—Και τελειωθεις· And having finished all—having died and risen again. Τελειωθηναι signifies to have obtained the goal; to have ended one's labor, and enjoyed the fruits of it. Chap. 12:23: The spirits of just men made perfect, πνευμασι δικαιων τετελειωμενων, means the souls of those who have gained the goal, and obtained the prize. So, when Christ had finished his course of tremendous sufferings, and consummated the whole by his death and resurrection, he became αιτιος σωτηριας αιωνιου, the cause of eternal salvation unto all them who obey him. He was consecrated both highs priest and sacrifice by his offering upon the cross.

"In this verse," says Dr. Macknight, "three things are clearly stated:

1. That obedience to Christ is equally necessary to salvation with believing on him.
2. That he was made perfect as a high priest by offering himself a sacrifice for sin, 8:3.
3. That, by the merit of that sacrifice, he hath obtained pardon and eternal life for them who obey him."

He tasted death for every man; but he is the author and cause of eternal salvation only to them who obey him. It is not merely believers, but obedient believers, that shall be finally saved. Therefore this text is an absolute, unimpeachable evidence, that it is not the imputed obedience of Christ that saves any man. Christ has bought men by his blood; and by the infinite merit of his death he has purchased for them an endless glory; but, in order to be prepared for it, the sinner must, through that grace which God withholds from no man, repent, turn from sin, believe on Jesus as being a sufficient ransom and sacrifice for his soul, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, be a worker together with him, walk in conformity to the Divine will through this Divine aid, and continue faithful unto death, through him, out of whose fullness he may receive grace upon grace.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Hebrews".

This REQUIRED obedience to Christ, does away with the compromisers who would tell us that you can get saved and then still live like the Devil and still make it into Heaven (as Ed tells us).

That is totally untrue I never said such a thing or every remotely suggested such. Totally false.

[Reuben]

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Adam Clarke has a great comment on this verse.

And being made perfect—Και τελειωθεις· And having finished all—having died and risen again. Τελειωθηναι signifies to have obtained the goal; to have ended one's labor, and enjoyed the fruits of it. Chap. 12:23: The spirits of just men made perfect, πνευμασι δικαιων τετελειωμενων, means the souls of those who have gained the goal, and obtained the prize. So, when Christ had finished his course of tremendous sufferings, and consummated the whole by his death and resurrection, he became αιτιος σωτηριας αιωνιου, the cause of eternal salvation unto all them who obey him. He was consecrated both highs priest and sacrifice by his offering upon the cross.

"In this verse," says Dr. Macknight, "three things are clearly stated:

1. That obedience to Christ is equally necessary to salvation with believing on him.
2. That he was made perfect as a high priest by offering himself a sacrifice for sin, 8:3.
3. That, by the merit of that sacrifice, he hath obtained pardon and eternal life for them who obey him."

He tasted death for every man; but he is the author and cause of eternal salvation only to them who obey him. It is not merely believers, but obedient believers, that shall be finally saved. Therefore this text is an absolute, unimpeachable evidence, that it is not the imputed obedience of Christ that saves any man. Christ has bought men by his blood; and by the infinite merit of his death he has purchased for them an endless glory; but, in order to be prepared for it, the sinner must, through that grace which God withholds from no man, repent, turn from sin, believe on Jesus as being a sufficient ransom and sacrifice for his soul, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, be a worker together with him, walk in conformity to the Divine will through this Divine aid, and continue faithful unto death, through him, out of whose fullness he may receive grace upon grace.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Hebrews".

This REQUIRED obedience to Christ, does away with the compromisers who would tell us that you can get saved and then still live like the Devil and still make it into Heaven (as Ed tells us).

Agreed!!!! Good commentary on the verse!

[Rocky]

kind of subject but, Ed has said a "true Christian can't lose his salvation", "A true Christian won't willfully sin",But then will say "if he does he cannot come back'. But "if he willfully sins he was not really saved"(Theses are actually Ed quotes by the way)
Is this double talk?
And here it is in my brain. A Christian won't willfully sin, but if he does wilffuly sin he was not really Christian, but a Christian can willfully sin he just cant come back if he does. umm how can one do something thing if the cant do it and if they do it they were not it in the first place.
#*$&%$!!!!'

[Justaned]

kind of subject but, Ed has said a "true Christian can't lose his salvation", "A true Christian won't willfully sin",But then will say "if he does he cannot come back'. But "if he willfully sins he was not really saved"(Theses are actually Ed quotes by the way)
Is this double talk?
And here it is in my brain. A Christian won't willfully sin, but if he does wilffuly sin he was not really Christian, but a Christian can willfully sin he just cant come back if he does. umm how can one do something thing if the cant do it and if they do it they were not it in the first place.
#*$&%$!!!!'

I never said a true Christian can't lose his salvation. If I did I misspoke. Heb 6 and Heb 10 clearly say a Christian can lose his salvation.
I have been saying exactly what this verse is saying Salvation requires obedience. If we don't have obedience we aren't saved.
Anyone that tries to say that Jesus is Lord in their life and then sins is fooling themselves. You can't be in obedience and sin. They don't mix.

[branham1965]

REVED
i agree with that all the way.

kind of subject but, Ed has said a "true Christian can't lose his salvation", "A true Christian won't willfully sin",But then will say "if he does he cannot come back'. But "if he willfully sins he was not really saved"(Theses are actually Ed quotes by the way)
Is this double talk?
And here it is in my brain. A Christian won't willfully sin, but if he does wilffuly sin he was not really Christian, but a Christian can willfully sin he just cant come back if he does. umm how can one do something thing if the cant do it and if they do it they were not it in the first place.
#*$&%$!!!!'

I never said a true Christian can't lose his salvation. If I did I misspoke. Heb 6 and Heb 10 clearly say a Christian can lose his salvation.
I have been saying exactly what this verse is saying Salvation requires obedience. If we don't have obedience we aren't saved.
Anyone that tries to say that Jesus is Lord in their life and then sins is fooling themselves. You can't be in obedience and sin. They don't mix.