Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Prosperity

[victoryword]

So many people are really attacking what they call the "Prosperity Gospel". While many critics of the P-G have some legitimate gripes, they often tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, Finis Dake had lots to say on the subject, and all of it very encouraging to me. Here's one:

• "The old idea among Christians that God is against His children having material wealth for fear they will lose their souls is unscriptural. The Bible is full of records of God's blessing men with prosperity (Gen. 13:3-9; 26:12; 33:11; 39:2-23; 41:40-44; 1 Kings 10:7; 1 Chron. 1:12; 9:22; 17:5; 32:27; Job 1:3; etc.). God has promised in both testaments riches and blessings untold to those who will serve and obey Him.... God Himself is the richest person in the universe; so if it would be a sin to be rich He would be the greatest sinner of all.... If God has promised us these things in the next life, why would it be a sin to have some of these things in this life." (Dake, GPFM, p. 72)

I think Dake is absolutely right in all of this. Why would God call sinful what He Himself has? God is prosperous so why would He want anyone poor? God's people need to trust God to prosper them.

[bibleman]

So many people are really attacking what they call the "Prosperity Gospel". While many critics of the P-G have some legitimate gripes, they often tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, Finis Dake had lots to say on the subject, and all of it very encouraging to me. Here's one:

• "The old idea among Christians that God is against His children having material wealth for fear they will lose their souls is unscriptural. The Bible is full of records of God's blessing men with prosperity (Gen. 13:3-9; 26:12; 33:11; 39:2-23; 41:40-44; 1 Kings 10:7; 1 Chron. 1:12; 9:22; 17:5; 32:27; Job 1:3; etc.). God has promised in both testaments riches and blessings untold to those who will serve and obey Him.... God Himself is the richest person in the universe; so if it would be a sin to be rich He would be the greatest sinner of all.... If God has promised us these things in the next life, why would it be a sin to have some of these things in this life." (Dake, GPFM, p. 72)

I think Dake is absolutely right in all of this. Why would God call sinful what He Himself has? God is prosperous so why would He want anyone poor? God's people need to trust God to prosper them.

Hi victoryword,

That is the truth if I ever read it!

God is the riches person I have ever met and of course he is NOT sinful.

[victoryword]

Hi victoryword,

That is the truth if I ever read it!

God is the riches person I have ever met and of course he is NOT sinful.

So we should be like our Heavenly Father in every way

[branham1965]

Reverend Dake taught being a partner with God.and that prosperity was conditional.
not what prosperity teachers are teaching today!!!!!!


all that new junk is a greed gospel.its selling like hotcakes in Africa right now.GO TO CHARISMA .COM.

SEE MY POST ON WE ARE THE WORLD.

THAT "I WANNA BE RICH" REMEMBER THAT POP SONG????? IT IS PROVEN REVOLTING THERE.

[branham1965]

im not talking about the big Mizzou Cowboy here..... few of these prosperity folks have ever worked a secular job.

i watched a very popular call in show and i thought these folks are in dreamland.they would not last
in the secular work force.and ill bet they all make 6 figures.

[Rocky]

Reverend Dake taught being a partner with God.and that prosperity was conditional.
not what prosperity teachers are teaching today!!!!!!


all that new junk is a greed gospel.its selling like hotcakes in Africa right now.GO TO CHARISMA .COM.

SEE MY POST ON WE ARE THE WORLD.

THAT "I WANNA BE RICH" REMEMBER THAT POP SONG????? IT IS PROVEN REVOLTING THERE.

Right Billy There are a lot of false teaching in the prosperity movement. But Dake I believe has a real biblical perspective on it. I like the point you made here..

[Justaned]

im not talking about the big Mizzou Cowboy here..... few of these prosperity folks have ever worked a secular job.

i watched a very popular call in show and i thought these folks are in dreamland.they would not last
in the secular work force.and ill bet they all make 6 figures.

Exactly Billy the guys that teach the prosperity Gospel have never had to work. Every cent of money they get is from the righteous they trick into paying them. Why do they never seize upon money taken from the unrighteous? Because God isn't behind it is the reason.

Unlike the Robin Hood who stole from the rich to give to the poor the prosperity teachers steal from God's children to make themselves richer. And scripture clearly warns about using God's word to gain worldly manna.

[victoryword]

So now that we have the usual NEGATIVE consensus that most prosperity preachers are going overboard, let's get back to the more POSITIVE teaching of Dake. Is it wrong to teach prosperity if one teaches it with "balance" like Dake did? What is the consensus on that?

[Watchman2013]

God Bless You, Billy and Justaned...

I had experience with men whose ministries put forth the "Prosperity Message." Wrack and ruin, literal carnage, and yes, even death, were the result of not sticking with The Word of God, and keeping things in God's Economy, in context. Those men cherry picked what would, they thought, verify and validate their theories. Some of them would take the average of all the tithe givers in their churches, and then multiply times ten, for their base salaries. THEN, they'd have housing, transportation, and costs of living, added on... All that, to show how prosperous God wanted them to be... Unbridled power, influence, and position within their communities, and within the Body of Christ...

Ever see someone that's eaten a 12 gauge shotgun? And have an open casket funeral? That young man had been called a failure, and was abandoned by his church's leadership. In desperation, deeply in debt, and feeling totally abandoned, he left behind his young wife, and his infant son... His young widow was informed that he wouldn't be seen in Heaven, as he had committed suicide... The Love of God was absent in that ministry...

Yes, I've seen divorces, businesses and careers ruined, and death, as a result of those who've perverted The Word of God, to their benefit...

God's economy is not, "Gimme, gimme, gimme- my name's Jimmy, and I'll take all you'll give me!" God's economy is not spouting The Word of God back to Him, and then proclaiming, "God's Word Says It, and He HAS to do it! I named it, and I claimed it- now He has to do it!" The short version of that was, "Blab it, and grab it." I've heard men and women from pulpits and platforms make those declarations, as if God were a Divine ATM machine...

What arrogance, ignorance, and hubris! What total disrespect for God, and His Word!!!

It's all about one's attitude, and one's relationship with God... God does want to bless us. He loves us. After all, He created us for His good pleasure... He is not, however, a robot or a puppet... He is Sovereign. He Is God... Creator of the Universe. Almighty God, Himself... Worthy of Love, Respect, Honor, Glory, and Power... Not an ATM or the lamp of a heathen Jinn...

Reverend Dake was a great teacher and expositor of The Word of God. He, and his work, have also been victims of cherry picking. Buffet Christians, as I call them, pick and choose what they like- wherever they search for verification and validation. To such people, it matters not whether it's The Word of God, or any of Reverend Dake's works, or anything else. To them, the results justify the means... Even though they pervert The Scriptures, and anything else that glorifies God...

One must remember, even Kenneth E. Hagin openly castigated men whose ministries transgressed against the Word of God, and God Himself... The Midas Touch put forth Hagin's understanding of how the Word of Faith had strayed in it's portrayal of how God intended prosperity to be practiced within The Body of Christ... Read it- it's a good book, and one that legitimized Hagin's teachings over the years... Sadly, three years after his death, those same individuals returned to fleecing the sheep, pillaging God's Children...

All things in God's Economy- not the shearing and fleecing of God's sheep...

Again, attitude, and right standing with God- those are from where God acts on our behalf... Demand, until you're blue in the face, and nothing happens- if you're lucky... Prayer is energized by the God kind of Love... Signs, wonders, and miracles are empowered by God's Love...

Never, ever, take God for granted, for He does know when that is in one's heart, mind, and soul... Every day should be newly consecrated unto God... Our relationship with Him should be fresh and alive- all the time, lest we take Him for granted...

Remember, the ends do not justify the means. Lying is a sin, no less heinous, than any other sin. Sin cannot be allowed in the Holy Presence of God... Those that change or pervert the Word of God, are guilty of what is written in the last chapter of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, to John the Beloved Apostle. Some consider this to only apply to that magnificent book. I, however believe that the Word of God, every word, jot, and tittle, must never be changed, for the Word of God is inerrant, pure, and Holy... If this be right, and The Word of God is, indeed perfect, then who could righteously change it? Nobody.

Revelation 22:18-21 (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Seek The Lord, and His Wisdom, not the wisdom of mere Man, for the wisdom of Man, is foolishness to God...

All Praise and Glory to Him Who First Loved Us!

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Rocky]

So now that we have the usual NEGATIVE consensus that most prosperity preachers are going overboard, let's get back to the more POSITIVE teaching of Dake. Is it wrong to teach prosperity if one teaches it with "balance" like Dake did? What is the consensus on that?

No it is not, I completely agree with Dakes teaching on prosperity.