Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Jesus Christ and His Anointing

[bibleman]

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

a [Christ] Greek: Christos (GSN-<G5547>), "Anointed." Used in the New Testament 569 times.
Like the name "Jesus" it has no reference to deity, but to the humanity of the Son of God, who received the anointing of the Spirit 30 years after He was born of Mary (Mt. 3:16; Jn. 3:34; Isa. 11:1; 42:1-5; 61:1; Acts 10:38).
God "made" Him both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). The Hebrew is Mashiyach (HSN-<H4899>) (Dan. 9:24-26; Jn. 1:41; 4:25).
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Side Notes And End Notes Of Matthew".

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Thank God for the anointing of Jesus the Son of God! That anointing was used by Christ on this earth to show us how to live. Because of the anointing of Jesus we can know the full measure of what God is able to do in our lives, if we will only humble ourselves and allow God to work through us, even as Christ humbled himself and allowed the power of the Holy Spirit to work through him.

[Justaned]

I think you are getting a distorted view of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let us go back to the basics.

John 1:1-5 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.


The word translated anointed in Acts 10:38 could also be translated appointed. God appointed Jesus to preach. Jesus being God was already a part of the Godhead therefore the Holy Spirit and him were one.

Again you are getting tangled up in the logic that was used by some false teachers that taught Jesus was mere man yet John 1:1 declares that untrue. Their screwed up logic is this Jesus was mere man until "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (in effect making the Holy Spirit a power like the force of Starwars) and by that anointing Jesus was able to do what he did while on earth. They then take this false teaching to the next step saying man can have that same anointing and thus do the same miracles that Jesus did. Man is then elevated to the level of God or God is demoted to the level of man all false trash.
John 10:30 (NKJV)
30 I and My Father are one."

You can't have John 10:30 and say Jesus was in need of some anointing by God to have the power he had.

[bibleman]

I think you are getting a distorted view of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let us go back to the basics.

John 1:1-5 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

The word translated anointed in Acts 10:38 could also be translated appointed. God appointed Jesus to preach. Jesus being God was already a part of the Godhead therefore the Holy Spirit and him were one.

Again you are getting tangled up in the logic that was used by some false teachers that taught Jesus was mere man yet John 1:1 declares that untrue. Their screwed up logic is this Jesus was mere man until "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (in effect making the Holy Spirit a power like the force of Starwars) and by that anointing Jesus was able to do what he did while on earth. They then take this false teaching to the next step saying man can have that same anointing and thus do the same miracles that Jesus did. Man is then elevated to the level of God or God is demoted to the level of man all false trash.
John 10:30 (NKJV)
30 I and My Father are one."

You can't have John 10:30 and say Jesus was in need of some anointing by God to have the power he had.

HI Ed,

Above you said: "The word translated anointed in Acts 10:38 could also be translated appointed. God appointed Jesus to preach."

Ed that is about as dumb a statement as I have ever heard.

Greek Strong's Number: 5548
Greek Word: χρίω
Transliteration: chriō
Phonetic Pronunciation:khree'-o
Root: probably akin to <G5530> through the idea of contact
Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:493,1322
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Anoint, Anointing

probably akin to <G5530> (chraomai) through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service :- anoint.
James Strong, Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary, (Austin, TX: WORDsearch Corp., 2007), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "5548".

No translation supports that.

Acts 10:38 (AMP) 38 How God anointed and consecrated Jesus of Nazareth with the [Holy] Spirit and with strength and ability and power; how He went about doing good and, in particular, curing all who were harassed and oppressed by [the power of] the devil, for God was with Him.

Acts 10:38 (NKJV) 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Even translations that take a more liberal stance with the Scriptures don't even support that!

Acts 10:38 (TLB) 38 And you no doubt know that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and with power, and he went around doing good and healing all who were possessed by demons, for God was with him.

Acts 10:38 (MSG) 38 Then Jesus arrived from Nazareth, anointed by God with the Holy Spirit, ready for action. He went through the country helping people and healing everyone who was beaten down by the Devil. He was able to do all this because God was with him.

Acts 10:38 (GW) 38 You know that God anointed Jesus from Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Jesus went everywhere and did good things, such as healing everyone who was under the devil's power. Jesus did these things because God was with him.

Ed my friend, it saddens me to say this but you have become an enemy of the full Gospel experience and the walk of faith. Please read your post, you stand against anything that has to do with healing, faith, prosperity, Holy Ghost empowerment, New Creation, etc. If it is God and in the Bible you seem to be against it.

[Reuben]

The word translated anointed in Acts 10:38 could also be translated appointed. God appointed Jesus to preach. Jesus being God was already a part of the Godhead therefore the Holy Spirit and him were one.

Just curious where you got that?

[bibleman]

Anointed from Acts 10:38

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon - ? - ????, 5548
χριω : 1 aorist αχρισα; (akin to χειρ ((?), see Curtius, sec. 201), χραινω; properly, ‘to touch with the hand’, ‘to besmear’); from Homer down; the Septuagint for ‏מָשֵׁח‎; “to anoint” (on the persons who received anointing among the Hebrews, see χρισμα); in the N.T. only tropically, of God a. consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration (see χρισμα): Luke 4:18 (after Isaiah 61:1); contrary to common usage with an accusative of the thing, ελαιον, (like verbs of clothing, putting on, etc. (cf. Winer’s Grammar, sec. 32, 4 a.; Buttmann, sec. 131, 6)), Hebrews 1:9 (from Psalm 44:8 (Psalm 45:8); in Theoph. ad Autol. 1, 12 we find χριεσθαι ελαιον Θεου and χριεσθαι φωτι και πνευματι almost in the same sentence); πνευματι ἁγιωκαι δυναμει, Acts 10:38; also χριειν used absolutely, Acts 4:27. b. enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit (cf. Westcott on 1 John 2:20): 2 Corinthians 1:21. (Compare: εγχριω, επιχριω. Synonym: see αλειφω, at the end)*

[Justaned]

Classical Greek
In classical Greek the verb chriō has a broad semantic range (cf. the related noun chrisma [5380]). It means “to smear something on something else” and could thus designate to “anoint with oil, apply paints or glazes,” etc. Even when an author of the Homeric school used chriō for the “anointing” of a person by a god by smearing ambrosia on him (Hymn to Demeter 237), the word chriō itself carried no special religious significance.
Septuagint Usage
The range of meaning of chriō in the Septuagint is more limited. It is used for the ritual anointing with oil to consecrate and appoint someone to a special office such as priest or king. Only once (1 Kings 19:16 [LXX 3 Kings 19:16]) is it used for a literal anointing with oil to appoint someone to the office of prophet. Phrases such as “to anoint to the kingship/for the purpose of ruling” are found frequently in the Septuagint
Thoralf Gilbrant, ed., “5383. χρίω,” in The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega, (Springfield, MO: Complete Biblical Library, 1991), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "5383. χρίω".


It is with this figurative meaning that chriō most often appears with reference to the prophets. They would describe themselves as “anointed” when they had received the Spirit of God and thereby been “appointed” to the office of prophet (see Isaiah 61:1). These symbolic uses of chriō caused it to be distinguished from aleiphō (216), “to anoint,” which designated the physical act of anointing (see Brunotte, “Anoint,” Colin Brown, 1:120; Müller, “Anoint,” Colin Brown, 1:121).
Thoralf Gilbrant, ed., “5383. χρίω,” in The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega, (Springfield, MO: Complete Biblical Library, 1991), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "5383. χρίω".

Further, it always has the figurative meaning “to assign a person to a task, ...
Thoralf Gilbrant, ed., “5383. χρίω,” in The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega, (Springfield, MO: Complete Biblical Library, 1991), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "5383. χρίω".

So it can be used as appointed

And before we get too far afield here I will agree God gave or anointed Jesus with the power of preach God to man and to accomplish the miracles that Jesus did. Not as something new but as something God had given Christ from the beginning. The significance of the dove upon Christ is to let man know Jesus was in fact empowered by God because he was God in the form of man upon the earth.

But remember we went down this bunny trail because I said God said he would never leave us for forsake us and the lifting of the anointing from Saul and Samson was thrown in my face. The anointing of Christ is far different than the anointing of Saul to be king of Israel and of Samson to throw off the yoke of the Philistines from Israel.

That is where we should be focused, not on our use of semantics in describing Jesus' mission to man.

The fact that God withdrew his anointing from Saul and Samson does not suggest that God withdrew from them, only that God withdrew the appointment and all that went with it from them. God still heard Samson's prayers as proven in
Judges 16:28 (NKJV)
28 Then Samson called to the LORD, saying, "O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray! Strengthen me, I pray, just this once, O God, that I may with one blow take vengeance on the Philistines for my two eyes!"

[Justaned]

Was Jesus God or not? Were Jesus and the Father one or not?

Is John 1:1 true or not?
Is John 10:30 true or not?

If you believe Jesus is God then let us not get tangled up on semantics of the use of the word anoint or appoint.

If you divide Jesus from God then the word becomes important to your theology. Just as the concept of God withdrawing from Jesus on the cross may become important. But if you believe they are one then trying to prove something by the use of the word anoint is meaningless.

[bibleman]

Was Jesus God or not? Were Jesus and the Father one or not?

Is John 1:1 true or not?
Is John 10:30 true or not?

If you believe Jesus is God then let us not get tangled up on semantics of the use of the word anoint or appoint.

If you divide Jesus from God then the word becomes important to your theology. Just as the concept of God withdrawing from Jesus on the cross may become important. But if you believe they are one then trying to prove something by the use of the word anoint is meaningless.

Ed, Ed, Ed,...

If you would read and study the following you would not make the ridiculous statements that you make.

The Kenosis of Christ

Greek: kenoo (GSN-<G2758>), to empty out, drain. It is translated "make void" (Rom. 4:14; 1Cor. 9:15); "make of none effect" (1Cor. 1:17); "be in vain" (2Cor. 9:3); and "make of no reputation" (i.e., He emptied Himself; Php. 2:7).

Of what did Christ empty Himself?

It could not have been His divine nature, for He was God not only from all eternity (Mic. 5:1-2; Jn. 1:1-2; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 1:8-11), but God manifest in flesh during His life on earth (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Mt. 1:18-25; Jn. 1:1-2,14; 1Tim. 3:16). Christ emptied Himself of:

1. Equality with God (Php. 2:6-7; Jn. 14:28; 1Cor. 11:3)

2. God-form or God-body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Php. 2:6-8; 3:21; Mt. 1:18-25; Lk. 1:35; Jn. 1:14; Lk. 24:37-40; Zech. 13:6; Gal. 4:4; Rom. 8:3)

3. Immortality of body (1Cor. 15:3; Ps. 16:10; 1Pet. 2:24; 3:18)

4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 12:23; 17:5; Mt. 16:27; Php. 2:5-11)

5. His authority in heaven and in earth, which was given back to Him after the resurrection (Mt. 28:18; Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; 1Pet. 3:22)

6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity. He had no power to do miracles until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (Jn. 2:11; 3:34; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:1-7; 61:1-2; Lk. 3:21-22; 4:16-21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 10:38). He could do nothing of Himself in all His earthly life. He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:

(1) He was limited to the status of a man (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).

(2) He was God's agent using God's power of attorney (note, Jn. 8:28; Acts 10:38).

(3) He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Pet. 2:21).

(4) The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).

(5) Isaiah (Isa. 7:14-16) speaks of the Messiah being born without knowledge enough to know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

(6) Isaiah (Isa. 11:2; 53:1-12) speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give Him the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. If He had these attributes as God from all eternity and did not lay them aside in becoming man when was this ever true of Him?

(7) Isaiah (Isa. 50:4-11) predicted that the Messiah would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom.

(8) Isaiah (Isa. 42:1-7; 61:1-2) speaks of Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers. Is it necessary for God to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do what He is naturally capable of doing? If it became necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).

(9) History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, and spirit (mind, 1Cor. 2:11), grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man (Lk. 2:40,52). Even after His manhood, His full anointing and gifts of the Spirit, He was still limited in knowledge (Mk. 13:32). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).

(10) He did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (note, Jn. 8:28; Mt. 12:28; Lk. 4:16-21). Others stated this was the source of His power (Jn. 3:34; Acts 10:38). Most scriptures used in theological texts proving that Christ had divine attributes on earth are statements true of Him since His glory has been restored and do not prove anything during His life on earth. All scriptures related to His earthly life can be explained as referring to the exercise of the gifts of the Spirit and not natural attributes.

(11) The fact that Christ promised all believers power to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Mt. 10:1-20; 16:18; 18:18; Lk. 10; 24:49; Mk. 16:15-20; Jn. 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).

(12) His exaltation to original glory and the highest place under God the Father is proof of His lowest humiliation and earthly limitation short of being God by nature (Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:15-23; Col. 1:15-23; 1Pet. 3:22).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 2".

[Justaned]

Was Jesus God or not? Were Jesus and the Father one or not?

Is John 1:1 true or not?
Is John 10:30 true or not?

If you believe Jesus is God then let us not get tangled up on semantics of the use of the word anoint or appoint.

If you divide Jesus from God then the word becomes important to your theology. Just as the concept of God withdrawing from Jesus on the cross may become important. But if you believe they are one then trying to prove something by the use of the word anoint is meaningless.

Ed, Ed, Ed,...

If you would read and study the following you would not make the ridiculous statements that you make.

The Kenosis of Christ

Greek: kenoo (GSN-<G2758>), to empty out, drain. It is translated "make void" (Rom. 4:14; 1Cor. 9:15); "make of none effect" (1Cor. 1:17); "be in vain" (2Cor. 9:3); and "make of no reputation" (i.e., He emptied Himself; Php. 2:7).

Of what did Christ empty Himself?

It could not have been His divine nature, for He was God not only from all eternity (Mic. 5:1-2; Jn. 1:1-2; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 1:8-11), but God manifest in flesh during His life on earth (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Mt. 1:18-25; Jn. 1:1-2,14; 1Tim. 3:16). Christ emptied Himself of:

1. Equality with God (Php. 2:6-7; Jn. 14:28; 1Cor. 11:3)

2. God-form or God-body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Php. 2:6-8; 3:21; Mt. 1:18-25; Lk. 1:35; Jn. 1:14; Lk. 24:37-40; Zech. 13:6; Gal. 4:4; Rom. 8:3)

3. Immortality of body (1Cor. 15:3; Ps. 16:10; 1Pet. 2:24; 3:18)

4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 12:23; 17:5; Mt. 16:27; Php. 2:5-11)

5. His authority in heaven and in earth, which was given back to Him after the resurrection (Mt. 28:18; Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; 1Pet. 3:22)

6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity. He had no power to do miracles until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (Jn. 2:11; 3:34; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:1-7; 61:1-2; Lk. 3:21-22; 4:16-21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 10:38). He could do nothing of Himself in all His earthly life. He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:

(1) He was limited to the status of a man (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).

(2) He was God's agent using God's power of attorney (note, Jn. 8:28; Acts 10:38).

(3) He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Pet. 2:21).

(4) The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).

(5) Isaiah (Isa. 7:14-16) speaks of the Messiah being born without knowledge enough to know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

(6) Isaiah (Isa. 11:2; 53:1-12) speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give Him the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. If He had these attributes as God from all eternity and did not lay them aside in becoming man when was this ever true of Him?

(7) Isaiah (Isa. 50:4-11) predicted that the Messiah would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom.

(8) Isaiah (Isa. 42:1-7; 61:1-2) speaks of Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers. Is it necessary for God to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do what He is naturally capable of doing? If it became necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).

(9) History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, and spirit (mind, 1Cor. 2:11), grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man (Lk. 2:40,52). Even after His manhood, His full anointing and gifts of the Spirit, He was still limited in knowledge (Mk. 13:32). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).

(10) He did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (note, Jn. 8:28; Mt. 12:28; Lk. 4:16-21). Others stated this was the source of His power (Jn. 3:34; Acts 10:38). Most scriptures used in theological texts proving that Christ had divine attributes on earth are statements true of Him since His glory has been restored and do not prove anything during His life on earth. All scriptures related to His earthly life can be explained as referring to the exercise of the gifts of the Spirit and not natural attributes.

(11) The fact that Christ promised all believers power to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Mt. 10:1-20; 16:18; 18:18; Lk. 10; 24:49; Mk. 16:15-20; Jn. 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).

(12) His exaltation to original glory and the highest place under God the Father is proof of His lowest humiliation and earthly limitation short of being God by nature (Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:15-23; Col. 1:15-23; 1Pet. 3:22).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 2".

I deny none of that so what is the point? The fact that Jesus laid down the use of his Godly power does not separate Him from God it only means he limited Himself to have the same experience as man.

[bibleman]

I deny none of that so what is the point? The fact that Jesus laid down the use of his Godly power does not separate Him from God it only means he limited Himself to have the same experience as man.

Ed,...

And as a man he needed the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit!

Classic YOUR denomination AG teaching.

Right?