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[Rocky]

I do have insight but I have clearly said I am not a Catholic apologist and I have no desire to defend their doctrine.
However I do believe I have accurately identified why you so hate Catholicism.

ok were did you identify this. Again you offer no counter points. You started this discussion then back off when you are shown facts. Not what time have you identified anything you just make empty statements. So thank you for proving my points.

Rocky
Look at how you describe the catechism process. Look at how you view Catholic sacraments. If you can't detect a disdain for all things Catholic in those descriptions then you are blind. You aren't presenting what they are, you are presenting what you view them as. Two different things. Two different things.

Umm

[Reuben]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

[Justaned]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

[bibleman]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture."

That is why I stay away from interpretations... I just read it, believe it, practice it! Case Closed!

[Justaned]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture."

That is why I stay away from interpretations... I just read it, believe it, practice it! Case Closed!

See I knew you have the answer and you were just holding back on us.

[Rocky]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

Couldn't resist
Ed Here is what you are missing and I verified this with my father just for your benefit. To a Catholic yes you must have faith in Jesus But, and this is a big but, you must practice the sacraments as well, they are connected and intertwined to the catholic. Faith without the sacraments is dead to a catholic. I discussed this thread with my father last night. My dad wanted me to tell you that It is faith and the sacraments that basically saves you, They cannot be separated. To be born again so to speak, you cannot have one without the other.
And he also said by definition you are a protestant and are in the same heretic boat as the rest of us on here, So I guess we will be seeing each other in Purgatory

And, no the Catechism classes is just not for children it is an intricate part of the conversion process, for adults or children. So see even a practicing catholic who is an avid studier and was baptized catholic as a baby and is now 61 years old disagrees with you. Just thought I would throw that out there to ya Ed..

[Justaned]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

Couldn't resist
Ed Here is what you are missing and I verified this with my father just for your benefit. To a Catholic yes you must have faith in Jesus But, and this is a big but, you must practice the sacraments as well, they are connected and intertwined to the catholic. Faith without the sacraments is dead to a catholic. I discussed this thread with my father last night. My dad wanted me to tell you that It is faith and the sacraments that basically saves you, They cannot be separated. To be born again so to speak, you cannot have one without the other.
And he also said by definition you are a protestant and are in the same heretic boat as the rest of us on here, So I guess we will be seeing each other in Purgatory

And, no the Catechism classes is just not for children it is an intricate part of the conversion process, for adults or children. So see even a practicing catholic who is an avid studier and was baptized catholic as a baby and is now 61 years old disagrees with you. Just thought I would throw that out there to ya Ed..

Once again I don't care what Catholics believe, the point I'm trying to get through to you is they believe they are just as correct as you believe they are wrong and they believe you are just as wrong as you believe you are right. And no I will not repeat that whew

Every religion adherent believes his religion is the only correct one. The problem is all of them can't be right. And there is no longer one person on this earth to make the call.

[macca]

I don't adhere to any religion Ed, so where does that leave me?

macca

[Rocky]

When does salvation take place?This may be long Because it cannot be explained like the way we understand it, But I think you will enjoy the read even though it has my bad commentary on it lol. Yeah it is skewed, in a sense its a works based salvation even initially, kind of clean the fish before you catch them mentality. Without quoting from my catechism to much, I will just give a some up on their process, because its like 10 pages long on how to become catholic. Catholics don't use the term saved its not part of their vocabulary, even though as you know the bible uses that term. It's a born again and again, but not like Dake teaches. Every time ones goes to confession the sins get exsolved then you can take the eucharius so every time you do this you are born again. There are 7 sacraments, 4 has to do with the indoctrination process. Its not like us to were it is based on faith in Jesus and all that entails. Regeneration is not part of the catholic vocabulary either. This process is what a lot of protestants are not aware of. The 4 sacraments or designed to get the convert to be catholic enough to take the Eucharist which is what the religion pretty much revolves around.

Ok here is the process in a nutshell: like I said there are 7 sacraments but 4 are directed mainly at the laymen and new converts. I will underline the sacraments. First if you are a baby, Baptism then later the classes
If you are a new convert first the classes than baptism. Because Baptism takes away the stain of original sin, but you have to wait till Easter.(I know not biblical, but remember its not sola scriptura)
Then the sacrament of Reconciliation this involves penance and confession which has three elements: conversion, confession and celebration.
Then the Eucharist, Because the sacrament of baptism and reconciliation makes you worthy enough so to speak to be able to partake of it.
Now we get to Confirmation, It is one of the three Sacraments of Initiation for Catholics. It is most often associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now after all this you repeat all except Baptism and confirmation every mass. To miss mass according to the catechism is a mortal sin because only priests can distribute the sacraments, remember its the sacraments that's saves, now a lay catholic will deny this up and down, but its is true. I know pretty confusing, now in my opinion this is almost cult like, because there is no salvation outside of the catholic church. I would be considered a heretic by the church because I know about the holy orders and the sacraments of the church but have rejected it. Catholics only believe if you don't know about all of this out of ignorance than you might can get to heaven, especially if a priest gives you the last Last Rites. If not we may have to spend time in purgatory so our works can be purified. In the catholic church purgatory is not for sinner but for those who are on there way to heaven, but are not quite good enough or have not done enough to go there or has unconfused sin. Oh, by the way the catholic church believes the convert still has a sin nature. So as you can see, are catholic really born again believers accord to what the bible teaches? To me its just empty unbiblical rituals to be blunt that cannot save a soul. I am glad that the B-I-b-l-e is a little more simplistic.
Hmmm I guess the cross was not enough. So yeah it may be a cult

This is what Rocky stated above as to the process of becoming a Catholic. Ed, if he lied about it and has told us an untruth, then call him out on it and present your facts to disprove what Rocky said. Otherwise, what's your point?

Notice above that Rocky said he believed this is empty unbiblical rituals. Well, he is right Scripturally that's for sure. I wrote in another thread using their own catechism that they STILL believe in purgatory and they STILL believe in charging people of the deceased to get them moved on. They are facts and that is unscriptural! If you want to defend such a preposterous religion full of derailing position's then have it.

Reuben did I say Rocky lied? Did I say this is untrue?
What I said was Rocky presented his view of Catholicism as he saw it and that his view was different than a Catholics view. Rocky claims to have based his opinion on scripture as do the Catholics. However we know there are 30000 different interpretations of scripture. Why? I suggested the problem was man's interpretation of scripture that produced the difference not an actual difference in scripture. Somehow you both can't accept that as being all I said and you want me to defend the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I won't! I can't

Couldn't resist
Ed Here is what you are missing and I verified this with my father just for your benefit. To a Catholic yes you must have faith in Jesus But, and this is a big but, you must practice the sacraments as well, they are connected and intertwined to the catholic. Faith without the sacraments is dead to a catholic. I discussed this thread with my father last night. My dad wanted me to tell you that It is faith and the sacraments that basically saves you, They cannot be separated. To be born again so to speak, you cannot have one without the other.
And he also said by definition you are a protestant and are in the same heretic boat as the rest of us on here, So I guess we will be seeing each other in Purgatory

And, no the Catechism classes is just not for children it is an intricate part of the conversion process, for adults or children. So see even a practicing catholic who is an avid studier and was baptized catholic as a baby and is now 61 years old disagrees with you. Just thought I would throw that out there to ya Ed..

Once again I don't care what Catholics believe, the point I'm trying to get through to you is they believe they are just as correct as you believe they are wrong and they believe you are just as wrong as you believe you are right. And no I will not repeat that whew

Every religion adherent believes his religion is the only correct one. The problem is all of them can't be right. And there is no longer one person on this earth to make the call.

Oh my gosh!!! Ed please se read this http://www.wikihow.com/Debate

[Reuben]

Ed Here is what you are missing and I verified this with my father just for your benefit. To a Catholic yes you must have faith in Jesus But, and this is a big but, you must practice the sacraments as well, they are connected and intertwined to the catholic. Faith without the sacraments is dead to a catholic. I discussed this thread with my father last night. My dad wanted me to tell you that It is faith and the sacraments that basically saves you, They cannot be separated. To be born again so to speak, you cannot have one without the other.
And he also said by definition you are a protestant and are in the same heretic boat as the rest of us on here, So I guess we will be seeing each other in Purgatory

And, no the Catechism classes is just not for children it is an intricate part of the conversion process, for adults or children. So see even a practicing catholic who is an avid studier and was baptized catholic as a baby and is now 61 years old disagrees with you. Just thought I would throw that out there to ya Ed..

It's interesting to note that Mormons believe in Jesus but... JWs believe things about Jesus but... Even Islam believes Jesus lived but... Catholics believe in Jesus but... it appears to me there are a lot of big butts gathering at the watering trough of false doctrine.