Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Rocky]

“First, that we see clearly from Scripture that on the cross Jesus totally defeated Satan on our behalf and that it is now our responsibility to demonstrate and administer the victory which Jesus has already won. Second, that we make proper use of the necessary weapons with which God has provided us.” Derek Prince, Spiritual Warfare, p. 31.

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan. We are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God. Instead it seems many of you want to act like a tiny dog, yapping at and pretending to be some threatening entity to a spiritual being you know nothing about or even fully understand. Interestingly this exact behavior is clearly described in scripture.

Jude 1:8-13 (NASB)
8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.
9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

2 Peter 2:10-16 (NASB)
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

From this the only communication or interaction I see we should have with Satan to draw closer to God and resist Satan. To say or pretend we have some authority over him is simply not scriptural. And if you read the fully passages quoted leads only to destruction of those that pretend.

Ed we are given the authority over the Satan through the name of Jesus and through faith in His name. Jesus said "behold I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions. We also have the power in the name of Jesus to cast out demon spirits. We are able to invoke the name of Jesus against the powers of Darkness. Jude and Peter both are not talking about spiritual warfare or anything to do with having or not having authority over Satan in what you used here. I am shocked at what you wrote. What kind of namby pamby hippie bible are you reading? lol.

Rocky I you are wrong both Jude and Peter are very much talking about spiritual warfare. They are calling it for what it is. Our position is in Christ. What does James say? James 4:7-10 (NKJV)
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Submit to God resist the devil and he will flee you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Do you really believe you have to do spiritual warfare with Satan when you have drawn near to God? What you think Satan is bold enough or even stupid enough to think he can snatch you from God's hand? The battle has been fought and won what we need to battle is our flesh. The lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. There is not need to battle Satan as James said submit yourself to God and there is nothing Satan can do to you. That is the victory of the cross!

Well I was really hoping you would have addressed what else I wrote lol. But Ed Jesus has given the Christian authority over the devil and demons

Do you really believe you have to do spiritual warfare with Satan when you have drawn near to God?

Absolutely we still have advisory to contend with. I find the closer I get to God sometimes that's when the battle rages.

The battle has been fought and won what we need to battle is our flesh

Where do you think our Flesh comes from? Our sin nature comes from satan, the old man is no other than satan himself.

There is no need to battle Satan

What? Did you just make that statement? Have you ever been confronted with a damon? what about a satanic attack, this is a very unbiblical statement. The victory was at the cross, but we still have an enemy. God has equipped us to deal with the enemy. Now I am not sure how your walk with God is but through Christ I have had to fight my way through hell, Being a Christian is not a bed of roses sometimes. It is a battle, that's why Paul said "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal". We are in a Battle brother against the forces of darkness. I see this when I witness to your undesirables. You are the only Christian I have ever read or heard to make the statements you are making. What you are saying would be very damaging to the new believer. I am happy to fight the enemy through Jesus. And that is not pride talking, Jesus gives us the power to do so. I sometimes go into his territory, in person and online, I believe God sometimes uses me to infiltrate. He did this with Paul and the apostles and Satan killed them for it. I am just so shocked at what you are claiming, I am like wow

[macca]

why am i not shocked?
The only question i have left is, " why does anyone support what Ed says at all"


macca

[Justaned]

OK Ed,

You disagree with Dake... (again!)

Dake mentioned you in this note.

He (Satan) not only blinds the minds of them that believe not (2 Cor. 4:3-4), but he steals the Word of God from the hearts of Christians, lest they should discover the means of complete victory over him—victory that is the heritage of every believer. Satan and his agents are transformed into “angels of light” and “ministers of righteousness” to deceive (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He even uses the best of saints and ministers of churches to propagate fallacies of every kind in order to rob men of the richest blessings of the Gospel of Christ. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 7.

I am saying your are what Dake wrote about. I say praise God and worship Him and as James said Satan will flee. Instead you want us to be cheated from the worship of God to pursue a defeated foe, who if we caught up with him we could do nothing to him.
Tell me oh great man of God if Satan stood before you what would you do to him? Tell me about the spiritual irons you would bind him in? What would you say to him? If you were smart you would run with all you might to get behind the one that Satan must obey, that has all authority because it was given HIm. There is only one like that and his name is not Bibleman but Jesus Christ the living Son of the Living God.

Try this Ed my friend,

Resist the Devil—Refuse to be Denied

“Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you” (Jas. 4:7-8); “. . . the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith” (1 Pet. 5:5-10. See also Eph. 6:10-18; 2 Cor. 10:4-7).
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 185-186.

Complete Mastery over the Devil Possible

One must not only believe that complete mastery over the devil is possible and that it is the will of God, but he must act in harmony with God and His Word to make it a reality in his life. The above promises reveal the conditions one must meet. They also state the divine promises of power to receive complete victory over the devil and all evil. There is no question about faith, prayer, and power that cannot be answered by the above Scriptures. God cannot lie. The devil is the liar when he tells you that you cannot become his master. He is already a defeated foe. You are already the victor over him in Christ if you will take your rightful place in the Gospel against Him. You do not have to fear the devil in the least. He cannot stand before the power of the name of Jesus and faith in the blood of Jesus. He knows that Jesus is His master and that you are also his master through faith in the name and blood of Jesus Christ. Rebuke the devil and demons by using the name of Jesus, their master, and by pleading the merits of the power of that name over them, through faith in the atonement. Demons cannot stand before you. Sicknesses will have to go. Pains will have to leave. Sins and demonic forces behind bad habits will have to depart. Demons that hinder and cause unbelief and doubt will loose their hold on you if you resist them and refuse to obey them. Every failure and spiritual defeat will be a thing of the past. Financial problems can be solved by taking a firm stand against these powers. God will back up His promises and will grant everything that is asked in faith in the name of Jesus. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 227-231.

Hey i don't have a problem with Satan I am a child of God. I don't need to understand Satan or anything I let my Big Brother handle him. All I have to do is keep my eye on Christ and trust in God in all things.

Perhaps you should try my way instead of trying to convince Satan you have some kind of authority over him. I'm sure you are Satan's entertainment nothing he likes better than to see one of God's children acting like a yappy dog barking at something out of instinct instead of using reasoning and knowing their salvation and protection rests in Christ.

[Justaned]

“First, that we see clearly from Scripture that on the cross Jesus totally defeated Satan on our behalf and that it is now our responsibility to demonstrate and administer the victory which Jesus has already won. Second, that we make proper use of the necessary weapons with which God has provided us.” Derek Prince, Spiritual Warfare, p. 31.

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan. We are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God. Instead it seems many of you want to act like a tiny dog, yapping at and pretending to be some threatening entity to a spiritual being you know nothing about or even fully understand. Interestingly this exact behavior is clearly described in scripture.

Jude 1:8-13 (NASB)
8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.
9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

2 Peter 2:10-16 (NASB)
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

From this the only communication or interaction I see we should have with Satan to draw closer to God and resist Satan. To say or pretend we have some authority over him is simply not scriptural. And if you read the fully passages quoted leads only to destruction of those that pretend.

Ed we are given the authority over the Satan through the name of Jesus and through faith in His name. Jesus said "behold I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions. We also have the power in the name of Jesus to cast out demon spirits. We are able to invoke the name of Jesus against the powers of Darkness. Jude and Peter both are not talking about spiritual warfare or anything to do with having or not having authority over Satan in what you used here. I am shocked at what you wrote. What kind of namby pamby hippie bible are you reading? lol.

Rocky I you are wrong both Jude and Peter are very much talking about spiritual warfare. They are calling it for what it is. Our position is in Christ. What does James say? James 4:7-10 (NKJV)
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Submit to God resist the devil and he will flee you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Do you really believe you have to do spiritual warfare with Satan when you have drawn near to God? What you think Satan is bold enough or even stupid enough to think he can snatch you from God's hand? The battle has been fought and won what we need to battle is our flesh. The lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. There is not need to battle Satan as James said submit yourself to God and there is nothing Satan can do to you. That is the victory of the cross!

Well I was really hoping you would have addressed what else I wrote lol. But Ed Jesus has given the Christian authority over the devil and demons

Do you really believe you have to do spiritual warfare with Satan when you have drawn near to God?

Absolutely we still have advisory to contend with. I find the closer I get to God sometimes that's when the battle rages.

The battle has been fought and won what we need to battle is our flesh

Where do you think our Flesh comes from? Our sin nature comes from satan, the old man is no other than satan himself.

There is no need to battle Satan

What? Did you just make that statement? Have you ever been confronted with a damon? what about a satanic attack, this is a very unbiblical statement. The victory was at the cross, but we still have an enemy. God has equipped us to deal with the enemy. Now I am not sure how your walk with God is but through Christ I have had to fight my way through hell, Being a Christian is not a bed of roses sometimes. It is a battle, that's why Paul said "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal". We are in a Battle brother against the forces of darkness. I see this when I witness to your undesirables. You are the only Christian I have ever read or heard to make the statements you are making. What you are saying would be very damaging to the new believer. I am happy to fight the enemy through Jesus. And that is not pride talking, Jesus gives us the power to do so. I sometimes go into his territory, in person and online, I believe God sometimes uses me to infiltrate. He did this with Paul and the apostles and Satan killed them for it. I am just so shocked at what you are claiming, I am like wow

rocky
Your theology is totally messed up, you have bits and pieces of every theology known to man scattered in yours.
Is it not true that scripture says that when we are weak God is strong?
Is it not true that scripture says the battle is the Lords?
Is it not true scripture says to submit to God?
We don't have to fight the enemy, Satan is defeated. What we have to fight is our inborn sin nature. Lust of the eyes that would draw away in sin. Lust of flesh that makes us hungry for things of this world instead of spiritual realities and the pride of life that makes us think we are something we are not. It is not our battle, the battle has been fought and Satan lost. What we have to do is keep looking at God instead of trying to see what Satan may be up to.
I can assure that any young Christian that reads what I say and keeps their eyes firmly fixed on God does not have to fear Satan. Jesus has promised to do that for us. All we have to do is wear the armor that God has provided and stand.
Notice it doesn't say start fighting the fight is says STAND.

Do you believe this or not? Romans 8:38-39 (NKJV)

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Are you under the blood of Jesus or not?
Do you really believe Satan can cross the blood of Jesus to get to you?
Do you believe the cross was a victory or defeat? That is the question. For those that think Jesus was defeated at the cross then I can see why you think you need to continue to fight Satan. But for us that know the cross was a victory for Jesus and total defeat for Satan we know that Jesus protects us from all that the enemy would try to tell us he can do.

I guess the real question is do you trust in God or not? If you believe you survive by your own ability to do spiritual warfare then you are at best prideful and at worst totally ignorant of real meaning of the cross.

[Justaned]

why am i not shocked?
The only question i have left is, " why does anyone support what Ed says at all"


macca

There he is running out of the shadows not with evidence not with constructive information to add to this discussion just a wise crack and then back into the shadow. If I'm so wrong show me in scripture where we (us today not the just the 70 that Jesus sent out before he defeated Satan on the cross) have authority over Satan.

Again Jesus has all authority but no where does scripture say He gave it to us. Now many presume to have that authority just a many here that advocate railing against Satan but that is something we don't see Jesus doing. No He spoke with authority and Jude tells us even the angels don't do it. But guys are getting rich today writing books on how to rail against Satan. Even though both Jude and 1 Peter warn against such.

Show us your evidence present your scriptures.

[Justaned]

My dear friend and I believe strong man in the Lord Watchman2013 spoke into my life tonight and I believe it was God speaking through him.

What I saw in his words was myself doing exactly what I'm accusing most of you of doing. Instead of keeping my eye firmly on God I'm trying to do what only God can do.

I need to spend more time in prayer and worship and drawing nigh unto the Lord. God will do the rest.

[Watchman2013]

Justaned, you are, as always, correctly dividing The Word of God.

Can anyone here remember what is written? For some of you are, indeed, guilty of what God warned Believers NOT to do...

2 Timothy 2:14-18 (KJV)

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Shame on those who do as written above, for it is from God. Remember Him? Jesus Christ, The Only Begotten Son of the Father, IS The Word of God. Hear Ye Him!

Your profane and vain babblings do increase unto more ungodliness, and your words are as a canker, eating at The Body of Christ! You have erred concerning The Truth, though not of the Ressurection, but are in danger of causing some to overthrow the faith of some...

How dare any, not be punctilious and proper, when it comes to The Word of God? Know you not, that what is seen here, is not just by Believers in Christ, but Seekers of God, also? Are not some here mercenaries, hawking their writings, not to Glorify God, but to line their purses?

Shame upon those who take God for granted... Shame on those that attack other members of The Body of Christ!

Do you not remember what is written in The Holy Scriptures?

2 Timothy 3:12-17 (KJV)

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Yet some of you twist and pervert The Word, and of your ministries, you risk forfeiture, as in another, your bishopric will take...

You, and God, know who you are. So do we. However, it is not those whom you snipe at, that should worry you... God is a jealous God, and He does not take lightly, what you do to His Children. You are not above God, nor His Chastisement. It will come- unless... To God, confess your sins, repent of them, and sincerely, ask God of His Forgiveness... Do this, before it is too late...

It's too bad, that you obviously don't understand God, or His Word... For The Love of God is not in you, or it would shine forth, as the new day dawning...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Rocky]

rocky
Your theology is totally messed up, you have bits and pieces of every theology known to man scattered in yours.
Is it not true that scripture says that when we are weak God is strong?
Is it not true that scripture says the battle is the Lords?
Is it not true scripture says to submit to God?
We don't have to fight the enemy, Satan is defeated. What we have to fight is our inborn sin nature. Lust of the eyes that would draw away in sin. Lust of flesh that makes us hungry for things of this world instead of spiritual realities and the pride of life that makes us think we are something we are not. It is not our battle, the battle has been fought and Satan lost. What we have to do is keep looking at God instead of trying to see what Satan may be up to.
I can assure that any young Christian that reads what I say and keeps their eyes firmly fixed on God does not have to fear Satan. Jesus has promised to do that for us. All we have to do is wear the armor that God has provided and stand.
Notice it doesn't say start fighting the fight is says STAND.

Do you believe this or not? Romans 8:38-39 (NKJV)

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Are you under the blood of Jesus or not?
Do you really believe Satan can cross the blood of Jesus to get to you?
Do you believe the cross was a victory or defeat? That is the question. For those that think Jesus was defeated at the cross then I can see why you think you need to continue to fight Satan. But for us that know the cross was a victory for Jesus and total defeat for Satan we know that Jesus protects us from all that the enemy would try to tell us he can do.

I guess the real question is do you trust in God or not? If you believe you survive by your own ability to do spiritual warfare then you are at best prideful and at worst totally ignorant of real meaning of the cross.

Ed, none of us that on here that believe we have authority over Satan is saying we have it in ourselves. Maybe some day you will actually be confronted by an attack or God forbid a possessed person, or maybe will actually have to go through something because of your faith. Then you can look back at this and remember what we are trying to tell you. Why don't you say that Satan is no more an adversary to someone's family who was killed because of the Gospel or someone believing God for a healing or when the Devil attacks someone because he is a Christian. What's next, are you are going to tell me that Satan is already bound? Ed you must live in lala land, rode any unicorns lately? Gosh I just can't believe the stuff you come up with. And I am the freak lol.. I am just going to say it Ed,when you say "We don't have to fight the enemy" that is big giant pile of poo, and it stinks, oh yes Ed, it stinks very badly.

[Justaned]

rocky
Your theology is totally messed up, you have bits and pieces of every theology known to man scattered in yours.
Is it not true that scripture says that when we are weak God is strong?
Is it not true that scripture says the battle is the Lords?
Is it not true scripture says to submit to God?
We don't have to fight the enemy, Satan is defeated. What we have to fight is our inborn sin nature. Lust of the eyes that would draw away in sin. Lust of flesh that makes us hungry for things of this world instead of spiritual realities and the pride of life that makes us think we are something we are not. It is not our battle, the battle has been fought and Satan lost. What we have to do is keep looking at God instead of trying to see what Satan may be up to.
I can assure that any young Christian that reads what I say and keeps their eyes firmly fixed on God does not have to fear Satan. Jesus has promised to do that for us. All we have to do is wear the armor that God has provided and stand.
Notice it doesn't say start fighting the fight is says STAND.

Do you believe this or not? Romans 8:38-39 (NKJV)

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Are you under the blood of Jesus or not?
Do you really believe Satan can cross the blood of Jesus to get to you?
Do you believe the cross was a victory or defeat? That is the question. For those that think Jesus was defeated at the cross then I can see why you think you need to continue to fight Satan. But for us that know the cross was a victory for Jesus and total defeat for Satan we know that Jesus protects us from all that the enemy would try to tell us he can do.

I guess the real question is do you trust in God or not? If you believe you survive by your own ability to do spiritual warfare then you are at best prideful and at worst totally ignorant of real meaning of the cross.

Ed, none of us that on here that believe we have authority over Satan is saying we have it in ourselves. Maybe some day you will actually be confronted by an attack or God forbid a possessed person, or maybe will actually have to go through something because of your faith. Then you can look back at this and remember what we are trying to tell you. Why don't you say that Satan is no more an adversary to someone's family who was killed because of the Gospel or someone believing God for a healing or when the Devil attacks someone because he is a Christian. What's next, are you are going to tell me that Satan is already bound? Ed you must live in lala land, rode any unicorns lately? Gosh I just can't believe the stuff you come up with. And I am the freak lol.. I am just going to say it Ed,when you say "We don't have to fight the enemy" that is big giant pile of poo, and it stinks, oh yes Ed, it stinks very badly.

rocky
See you were having a normal discussion and offering an opinion then you started the unicorn personal attacks. Why did you feel you needed to do that? Is that how you want to be treated? I don't get it.

We don't have authority over Satan in ourselves or otherwise. Satan does not answer to us, yet he must answer to God and Christ Jesus. However I do believe Jesus has given us a victory in that Satan can not cross the blood line of Jesus. But it does require us to stay under the blood.

I have dealt with demonics and I know it was not by my might or by my power, nor by my authority but by the authority in the name of Jesus Christ that demons will flee. They don't flee me but flee the name of Jesus. No I'm not telling you Satan is bound but most that happens today is not of Satan but is the fleshly lusts of man. Lust of eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. These are ingrained in our sin nature that must be crucified on the cross.

YOu don't have to fight the enemy you have to draw close to God and resist the enemy. Big difference. What are you going to fight with? You know nothing of the spiritual realm where Satan resides. We must deal with demonics because they have manifested themselves in our physical reality. But again the fight in not ours but it is the Lords.

This discussion started when someone spoke of THEIR AUTHORITY over Satan. I asked and still do show me where we have authority over Satan. Jesus is the one with all authority not us.

Believe me I have been under attack by evil spiritual beings. Godly spiritual influences would not call me the names I have been called in this thread alone. Those kind of names come from one place and one place only. Ephesians 6:12 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
So I take up my armor and stand. Jesus will fight the battle.

[macca]

Do we have authority over satan and his church?

Heb. 1:4;
(Jesus) Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than tyey.

Eph. 1.19-21;
what is the exceeding greatness of His power
which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above ALL principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.

Phil. 2.9-10;
Wherefore God has highly exalted Him, and given Him a NAME which is above every name.
That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of beings in heaven, and beings on earth, and beings under the earth.
(satan is included in EVERY KNEE)

The name of Jesus belongs to the church.

Eph. 1.21-23;
jesus is far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world,
but also in that which is to come.
And God has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the CHURCH,
which is His body, the fullness of Him that fills all in all.

1Cor. 12:27-28;
Now you are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in PARTICULAR.
and God has set some in the CHURCH.

jOHN. 14:12-14;
Truely, truely, I say to you, he that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go to my Father.
And whatsoever you shall ask (demand) IN MY NAME, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If you shall ask (demand) any thing IN MY NAME, I will do it.

The word of God is clear.