Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ PROOF OF A PREE-ADAMITE WORLD

[Justaned]

Would have been very hard to have a preadamite earth without the sun the moon and the stars.
How would the plants photosynthesis? Where would vitamin D which is needed for health come from?

Wonder what the earth circled if there was no sun? Was there even gravitation? Wonder if it was the same gravitational force we have today? How could it be without the Sun the Moon the Stars?

Right Ed!

Your false belief that there was no reign of Lucifer on earth BEFORE Eden is completely false.

Explain where the days came from in the first three days?

Where did the evening and morning come from during the first three days?

I notice you are extremely silent on these questions!

No silence God made light and dark and then he separated them and the light he called day and night he called dark.
Says nothing of Lucifer now does it?

So there were days before day 4 right?

Yes God created light and dark in verse 3 and that was the first day. But that day had no sun since the sun and moon were not created until day 4

Where does the Bible say that the sun and moon were created on day 4?

Slowly read genesis 1 and when you get to verse 16 it says God THEN made two great lights the greater light to rule the the day (that is the sun) and the lesser light to rule the night (moon).

The key here as you have often pointed out to me is the "Then" Not before not after but THEN

[bibleman]

Would have been very hard to have a preadamite earth without the sun the moon and the stars.
How would the plants photosynthesis? Where would vitamin D which is needed for health come from?

Wonder what the earth circled if there was no sun? Was there even gravitation? Wonder if it was the same gravitational force we have today? How could it be without the Sun the Moon the Stars?

Right Ed!

Your false belief that there was no reign of Lucifer on earth BEFORE Eden is completely false.

Explain where the days came from in the first three days?

Where did the evening and morning come from during the first three days?

I notice you are extremely silent on these questions!

No silence God made light and dark and then he separated them and the light he called day and night he called dark.
Says nothing of Lucifer now does it?

So there were days before day 4 right?

Yes God created light and dark in verse 3 and that was the first day. But that day had no sun since the sun and moon were not created until day 4

Where does the Bible say that the sun and moon were created on day 4?

Slowly read genesis 1 and when you get to verse 16 it says God THEN made two great lights the greater light to rule the the day (that is the sun) and the lesser light to rule the night (moon).

The key here as you have often pointed out to me is the "Then" Not before not after but THEN

Where in that verse does it say "create" as you said?

[Justaned]

Where in that verse does it say "create" as you said?

Again your playing games
We already went through that is says made not create. I misspoke I said create when in fact scripture uses the word made. But since God made all things and created all things there is no difference.

[Justaned]

Hey I learned from the last time about disagreeing with Dake. So if no one minds I just going to step out of this conversation. I know you guys like talking about this, but I don't. To many have their faith built on this instead of Christ and if it is torn down they will be left with nothing, I want no part of that. So if no one minds I will step out Okay?

[Rocky]

Hi Ed been reading your replies I just want to ask a couple of question.
Do you believe that God created the world in 6 literal days?

Scripture says that is what God did. Satan makes us want to doubt it and find ways to justify what science tells us. But I believe science is the lie not God. We know the earth was under water in Noah's time we know water plays total havoc with carbon dating. So there is no way to get an accurate reading pass the flood of Noah. Yet science claims it can.

I also believe Satan allows various discoveries to be made to make man further doubt what God said. I would even seriously consider that dinosaur fossils are plants of Satan, if he can get man to question creation he has man on the ropes when it comes to trusting God.

Ed thank you for replying. I am sorry but I do not believe you answered my questions and I don't really understand what you are saying. Ed science is not an enemy to the bible or God. Could you please just answer the question directly please brother, thanks..

[Ironman]

Where in that verse does it say "create" as you said?

Again your playing games
We already went through that is says made not create. I misspoke I said create when in fact scripture uses the word made. But since God made all things and created all things there is no difference.

In case you do return to this debate, I do not agree with that;

"God made all things and created all things there is no difference."

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There is a difference between God created and God made.

When God creates something He brings into existence, something out of nothing! "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth." Did God create the Heavens without stars, galaxies, planets . . ? I doubt it!

God does nothing imperfectly! Something happened to change God's perfect creation. "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." (Cause, Lucifers rebellion).

When God makes something He brings into existence, forms something, or changes something from that which He has already made. For example;

"Gen.1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" God MADE MAN out of an already existing substance! God made man out of the dust of the already created ground.

Gen. 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

" And God MADE two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,6 and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." God MADE two great lights, its here God turned on these two great lights which had already been CREATED by Him in Genesis 1:1.

Tell me Justaned, how did the petrified trees, leaves, branches, bones and other things found buried and encased in solid rock and coal, some over a mile deep under the Earth, get there? And how did sea shells and fossils of sea life end up on some of the highest mountains on Earth, if not when God turned mountains upside down and destroyed the Earth and all therin after Lucifers rebellion? How do you suggest all this happened?

[macca]

Hey I learned from the last time about disagreeing with Dake. So if no one minds I just going to step out of this conversation. I know you guys like talking about this, but I don't. To many have their faith built on this instead of Christ and if it is torn down they will be left with nothing, I want no part of that. So if no one minds I will step out Okay?

That is you big shortcoming Ed, either the whole bible is correct and true to itself or we have to pick and choose like you do.

macca

[bibleman]

Hey I learned from the last time about disagreeing with Dake. So if no one minds I just going to step out of this conversation. I know you guys like talking about this, but I don't. To many have their faith built on this instead of Christ and if it is torn down they will be left with nothing, I want no part of that. So if no one minds I will step out Okay?

Hi Ed,

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with Dake.... but disagreeing with the Bible!

Dake was just a man that pointed out the teaching of the Bible to us!

[Ray]

Didn't say that. I said the word translated "replenish" was never translated as "replenish" anywhere but in the KJV Bible. And no Noah did not replenish the world, he simply returned to the original task of filling the world, which had not be completed before Noah.

Hi Ed, that's not entirely true:
Bishops bible 1568
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God sayde vnto them: be fruitefull, & multiplie, and replenish the earth, & subdue it, and haue dominion of the fisshe of the sea, and foule of the ayre, & of euery lyuing thing that moueth vpon the earth.

The Great Bible 1540
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God sayd vnto them: Growe and increace and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and haue dominion of the fish of the see, and foule of the aire: and of euery lyuing thyng that moueth vpon the earth.

Webster Version 1833
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and

JPS translation 1917
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: ‘Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.’

American Standard Version 1901
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

I don't know why I said that because as you proved there are some Bibles that do use the word replenish. My bad.

What I meant to say is of the more popular reliable Bibles in common usage most use the word fill. As does every interlinear that I have checked. Why the KJV and this handful of others did I can not say.

While I do disagree with the phrase "popular reliable Bibles" It is true that other version say "fill and subdue" But I believe the word replenish seems to be more accurate. I do believe the pre-admite world is very possible and very likely, and personally I believe it to have evidence in the bible. However, I do agree with you that this word is not the smoking gun for the pre adamite world unless one believes that the word replenish is accurate. But in the versions I listed it cant be denied that the same wording is used to Noah after the flood. But, the Hebrew word for replenish is "male" and it is used 240 times in the old and the English words used for this is translated: to fill, fulfill, replenish, filled, full, satisfied, consecrate, to set, took, space, complete, Thats why I believe it cannot be a smoking gun.

Rocky,
There is NO "smoking gun" That backs a Pre-Adamite heaven and earth,

YET there is CLEARLY a "smoking gun" that Completely blows away the teaching of a Pre-Adamite heaven and earth.
The Exodus verses below are CLEAR.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

The Latin Vulgate Gen 1:28 (The Latin Vulgate is what Wyclife used as he Translated the FIRST English Translation of Scripture in the 1300's)
Gen 1:28
28 benedixitque illis Deus et ait crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram et subicite eam et dominamini piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et universis animantibus quae moventur super terram

And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth.

[Ironman]

God created the heavens and the Earth,

God made man. God originally created the heavens and the Earth from nothing. God made man from the dust of the ground, already existing material. Not hearing any disagreement from Ed yet?