Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Justaned]

“First, that we see clearly from Scripture that on the cross Jesus totally defeated Satan on our behalf and that it is now our responsibility to demonstrate and administer the victory which Jesus has already won. Second, that we make proper use of the necessary weapons with which God has provided us.” Derek Prince, Spiritual Warfare, p. 31.

Jesus totally defeat Satan on the cross is true. But no where In scripture states that it is our responsibility to demonstrate and administer the victory which Jesus has won. the weapons God/Jesus has provided if to enable us to stand. The battle is the Lords not ours. We are to stand and see the glory of the Lord limit the wicked one.

[Justaned]

I believe this forum has done more harm to Dake's name than anything thing else I'm aware of.

Ed, I doubt if you could prove this statement. If you can find anything in the writings of Dake that proves that he is misrepresented here then I will be the first one to say that you are right and that he has been grossly misrepresented. In the meantime, this passage from the writings of Dake is for you Ed:

• "Christ filed a counter-claim suit against Satan and won the case in the court of Heaven. Now all one needs to do is to legally and personally reject all the claims of Satan and assert his proper authority over all demons. If all Christians could come to see this simple and biblical truth, it would solve many problems and answer many questions concerning God's dealings with the saved and unsaved." (Dake, GPFM, 355)

There is no court in heaven. Provide one scripture that supports that comment.

[bibleman]

I don't get how 2 ppl can say they love someone's writings (well, granted, Ed has not stated as much, but he has stated before that he is the only person who really understood what Dake really meant by what he wrote), but yet, disagree with nearly everything written by the man. It baffles my mind, it honestly, truly does.

Hi Chris,

Now that has Ed pegged to a tee!

Actually Chris, Victoryword, and Bibleman are talking through your hats. None of you have any real idea of my view of Dake. Do I say I agree with everything Dake said? Absolutely Not! Do I disagree with everything Dake said? Again Absolutely not! Do I disagree with your misuse, misinterpretation, twisting of what Dake did say? Absolutely Yes!

In fact I'm surprised that Dake publishing allows the used of the Dake name at part of this forum but that is not of my concern. I believe this forum has done more harm to Dake's name than anything thing else I'm aware of.

Hi Ed,

What a bunch of junk you have just written about your agreement with Dake. You forget one thing, we read your post on this board and we know how you despise Dake's teachings.

Here is an example in this very thread....

YOU DISAGREE with Dake on man's power over the devil.

In three books John makes many statements confirming what other New Testament writers say about ordinary believers having power with God over the works of the Devil.
He taught that all believers ought to walk even as Christ walked (1 Jn. 2:6);
that they have an anointing that gives complete victory over the Devil (1 Jn. 2:13-27);
that they are now "the sons of God" and it is inconceivable that God could give power to His sons to act with power over the Devil and his works, and that He would prefer them to be defeated by the Devil (1 Jn. 3:1-3);
that Christ came to destroy the works of the Devil, and that Satan has no power to touch a child of God (1 Jn. 3:8; 5:18);
that "whatsoever we ask" we receive of God (1 Jn. 3:20-24; 5:14-15);
that God has given us His Spirit and He is greater in us than the Devil is in the world (1 Jn. 4:4, 13);
that we are to be as Christ was in the world (1 Jn. 4:17);
that we can overcome the world and the Devil (1 Jn. 5:4, 18; 2:13-14);
that the truth does dwell in believers and that it sets them free from all bondage (2 Jn. 2, 4; 3 Jn. 3-4; Jn. 8:31-36);
and that it is the highest will of God that every believer "prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" (3 Jn. 2).
Finis J. Dake, The Baptism in the Holy Spirit, WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 16.

Now set the record straight, do you agree with Dake on this point or do you disagree?

On this point? I see many points.
On some I agree and on others I don't agree.
And on still others I think Dake and I agree but you misuse to your pleasure.

Do you agree with the UNDERLINED part?

Bibleman
The underlined part as you call it

He taught that all believers ought to walk even as Christ walked (1 Jn. 2:6);
that they have an anointing that gives complete victory over the Devil (1 Jn. 2:13-27);

I totally agree with

He taught that all believers ought to walk even as Christ walked (1 Jn. 2:6)

However on this part

that they have an anointing that gives complete victory over the Devil (1 Jn. 2:13-27)

Let us see what 1 John 2:13-17 says so there is no confusion.

1 John 2:12-14 (NKJV)
12 I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake.
13 I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.
14 I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.

There is no mention of anointing. No mention of victory over Satan. It says because of your belief in Christ you have overcome the wicked one. Meaning Satan has no hold on us as Christians. He can only accuse us, lie to us, and deceive us but if we know the truth of the word, he can't deceive us. If we know the truth of the word he can't lie to us. And his accusations against us falls on deaf ears since Jesus our intercessor makes intercession for us.

So no I don't fully agree with Dake on that point.
There the question is answered.

OK Ed,

You disagree with Dake... (again!)

Dake mentioned you in this note.

He (Satan) not only blinds the minds of them that believe not (2 Cor. 4:3-4), but he steals the Word of God from the hearts of Christians, lest they should discover the means of complete victory over him—victory that is the heritage of every believer. Satan and his agents are transformed into “angels of light” and “ministers of righteousness” to deceive (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He even uses the best of saints and ministers of churches to propagate fallacies of every kind in order to rob men of the richest blessings of the Gospel of Christ. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 7.

[Justaned]

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan. We are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God. Instead it seems many of you want to act like a tiny dog, yapping at and pretending to be some threatening entity to a spiritual being you know nothing about or even fully understand. Interestingly this exact behavior is clearly described in scripture.

Not sure how you believe that Jude supports your claim, but I am not going to wrestle with you over what a passage says. I will simply, once again, show YOU how your statement does not line up with the Bible. You said, "What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan." Ed, this is a blatant lie from the pits of hell and you are being used as a mouthpiece for the devil right now. Jesus said:

• And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:17-20)

The word "power" in the passage above means "authority" Ed. As far as the lie that we "are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God," James would beg to differ:

• Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:7-8)

The passage above does not teach PASSIVITY Ed. According to the Greek dictionary at studylight.org it means "to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose." You can't do that by ignoring him or not concerning yourself with him. Ed, if you are teaching to your congregation the things that you espouse on this forum, let me warn you that you will be judged harshly for it.

2 Peter 2:10-16 (NASB)
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

From this the only communication or interaction I see we should have with Satan to draw closer to God and resist Satan. To say or pretend we have some authority over him is simply not scriptural. And if you read the fully passages quoted leads only to destruction of those that pretend.

I think you need to also read 1 Pet. 5:8-9.

Once again you try to stand on passage of scripture Luke 10:17-20 (NKJV)
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven."

that is clearly written to a specific group of people and was not without time limitation. Those to whom this was spoken to had that authority for a period of time to do a specific task for the Lord. Remember Judas and Peter both had failures and according to your definition of back sliding lost their salvation so even the part about rejoicing for your names are written in heaven according to you was temporal.

This position is totally without scriptural support and even you claim it not to be true.

[Justaned]

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan. We are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God. Instead it seems many of you want to act like a tiny dog, yapping at and pretending to be some threatening entity to a spiritual being you know nothing about or even fully understand. Interestingly this exact behavior is clearly described in scripture.

Not sure how you believe that Jude supports your claim, but I am not going to wrestle with you over what a passage says. I will simply, once again, show YOU how your statement does not line up with the Bible. You said, "What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan." Ed, this is a blatant lie from the pits of hell and you are being used as a mouthpiece for the devil right now. Jesus said:

• And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:17-20)

The word "power" in the passage above means "authority" Ed. As far as the lie that we "are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God," James would beg to differ:

• Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:7-8)

The passage above does not teach PASSIVITY Ed. According to the Greek dictionary at studylight.org it means "to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose." You can't do that by ignoring him or not concerning yourself with him. Ed, if you are teaching to your congregation the things that you espouse on this forum, let me warn you that you will be judged harshly for it.

2 Peter 2:10-16 (NASB)
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

From this the only communication or interaction I see we should have with Satan to draw closer to God and resist Satan. To say or pretend we have some authority over him is simply not scriptural. And if you read the fully passages quoted leads only to destruction of those that pretend.

I think you need to also read 1 Pet. 5:8-9.

Like I said a tiny dog yapping as something he doesn't understand and has no way to control. We are not to be passive we are to be pro active that means drawing closer to God. Not trying to exercise some control we don't have over Satan.

[Justaned]

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan.

UH OH Ed!

YOU are disagreeing with Dake again.

We have chosen Bible Truths Unmasked as the title of this book, because it is our desire to unmask the many plain, simple, and clearly–stated biblical truths that are unnecessarily hidden from many Christians in every denomination. The devil himself is chiefly responsible for these truths being unknown. He not only blinds the minds of them that believe not (2 Cor. 4:3-4), but he steals the Word of God from the hearts of Christians, lest they should discover the means of complete victory over him—victory that is the heritage of every believer. Satan and his agents are transformed into “angels of light” and “ministers of righteousness” to deceive (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He even uses the best of saints and ministers of churches to propagate fallacies of every kind in order to rob men of the richest blessings of the Gospel of Christ. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 7.

Anything in that quote that is underlined that you agree with?

Yes I disagree with everything after the scripture citation.

[Justaned]

What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan

What? Ed what bible are you reading?

The NKJV and NASB not the writings of man but the inspired word of God.

[Justaned]

“First, that we see clearly from Scripture that on the cross Jesus totally defeated Satan on our behalf and that it is now our responsibility to demonstrate and administer the victory which Jesus has already won. Second, that we make proper use of the necessary weapons with which God has provided us.” Derek Prince, Spiritual Warfare, p. 31.

No one is saying Satan wasn't defeated at the cross. What I'm saying we were not given any authority over Satan. We are told not to concern ourselves with Satan but to draw near to God. Instead it seems many of you want to act like a tiny dog, yapping at and pretending to be some threatening entity to a spiritual being you know nothing about or even fully understand. Interestingly this exact behavior is clearly described in scripture.

Jude 1:8-13 (NASB)
8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.
9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

2 Peter 2:10-16 (NASB)
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

From this the only communication or interaction I see we should have with Satan to draw closer to God and resist Satan. To say or pretend we have some authority over him is simply not scriptural. And if you read the fully passages quoted leads only to destruction of those that pretend.

Ed we are given the authority over the Satan through the name of Jesus and through faith in His name. Jesus said "behold I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions. We also have the power in the name of Jesus to cast out demon spirits. We are able to invoke the name of Jesus against the powers of Darkness. Jude and Peter both are not talking about spiritual warfare or anything to do with having or not having authority over Satan in what you used here. I am shocked at what you wrote. What kind of namby pamby hippie bible are you reading? lol.

Rocky I you are wrong both Jude and Peter are very much talking about spiritual warfare. They are calling it for what it is. Our position is in Christ. What does James say? James 4:7-10 (NKJV)
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Submit to God resist the devil and he will flee you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Do you really believe you have to do spiritual warfare with Satan when you have drawn near to God? What you think Satan is bold enough or even stupid enough to think he can snatch you from God's hand? The battle has been fought and won what we need to battle is our flesh. The lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. There is not need to battle Satan as James said submit yourself to God and there is nothing Satan can do to you. That is the victory of the cross!

[Justaned]

OK Ed,

You disagree with Dake... (again!)

Dake mentioned you in this note.

He (Satan) not only blinds the minds of them that believe not (2 Cor. 4:3-4), but he steals the Word of God from the hearts of Christians, lest they should discover the means of complete victory over him—victory that is the heritage of every believer. Satan and his agents are transformed into “angels of light” and “ministers of righteousness” to deceive (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He even uses the best of saints and ministers of churches to propagate fallacies of every kind in order to rob men of the richest blessings of the Gospel of Christ. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 7.

I am saying your are what Dake wrote about. I say praise God and worship Him and as James said Satan will flee. Instead you want us to be cheated from the worship of God to pursue a defeated foe, who if we caught up with him we could do nothing to him.
Tell me oh great man of God if Satan stood before you what would you do to him? Tell me about the spiritual irons you would bind him in? What would you say to him? If you were smart you would run with all you might to get behind the one that Satan must obey, that has all authority because it was given HIm. There is only one like that and his name is not Bibleman but Jesus Christ the living Son of the Living God.

[bibleman]

OK Ed,

You disagree with Dake... (again!)

Dake mentioned you in this note.

He (Satan) not only blinds the minds of them that believe not (2 Cor. 4:3-4), but he steals the Word of God from the hearts of Christians, lest they should discover the means of complete victory over him—victory that is the heritage of every believer. Satan and his agents are transformed into “angels of light” and “ministers of righteousness” to deceive (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He even uses the best of saints and ministers of churches to propagate fallacies of every kind in order to rob men of the richest blessings of the Gospel of Christ. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 7.

I am saying your are what Dake wrote about. I say praise God and worship Him and as James said Satan will flee. Instead you want us to be cheated from the worship of God to pursue a defeated foe, who if we caught up with him we could do nothing to him.
Tell me oh great man of God if Satan stood before you what would you do to him? Tell me about the spiritual irons you would bind him in? What would you say to him? If you were smart you would run with all you might to get behind the one that Satan must obey, that has all authority because it was given HIm. There is only one like that and his name is not Bibleman but Jesus Christ the living Son of the Living God.

Try this Ed my friend,

Resist the Devil—Refuse to be Denied

“Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you” (Jas. 4:7-8); “. . . the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith” (1 Pet. 5:5-10. See also Eph. 6:10-18; 2 Cor. 10:4-7).
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 185-186.

Complete Mastery over the Devil Possible

One must not only believe that complete mastery over the devil is possible and that it is the will of God, but he must act in harmony with God and His Word to make it a reality in his life. The above promises reveal the conditions one must meet. They also state the divine promises of power to receive complete victory over the devil and all evil. There is no question about faith, prayer, and power that cannot be answered by the above Scriptures. God cannot lie. The devil is the liar when he tells you that you cannot become his master. He is already a defeated foe. You are already the victor over him in Christ if you will take your rightful place in the Gospel against Him. You do not have to fear the devil in the least. He cannot stand before the power of the name of Jesus and faith in the blood of Jesus. He knows that Jesus is His master and that you are also his master through faith in the name and blood of Jesus Christ. Rebuke the devil and demons by using the name of Jesus, their master, and by pleading the merits of the power of that name over them, through faith in the atonement. Demons cannot stand before you. Sicknesses will have to go. Pains will have to leave. Sins and demonic forces behind bad habits will have to depart. Demons that hinder and cause unbelief and doubt will loose their hold on you if you resist them and refuse to obey them. Every failure and spiritual defeat will be a thing of the past. Financial problems can be solved by taking a firm stand against these powers. God will back up His promises and will grant everything that is asked in faith in the name of Jesus. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 227-231.