Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Prosperity

[Justaned]

I don't know what the point of excess is. Maybe it is different for each person. I am beginning to wonder if you owning a house is excess for you, since you seem so obsessed with another man's house.

I don't see you cursing David about his palace...

I do find it humorous that you find it "christian-like" to judge another man, not based on what you know for sure what he had done, but because surely he had done what you are judging him for.

Another thung I have noticed from you...you seem to have such a difficult time taking ppl at their word. You have told us Dake did not mean what he wrote, you have told us MacAurthur did not mean that he was a calvanist when he said he was, and you have now said that kenneth copeland was lying when he said what he said.

Sounds like you are the ine with the problem. Why not just let God deal with Copeland, and stop judging him based off of your own stupid speculation?

Chris
Why is it you never offer any evidence to support your position, but you always make it a point to try to invalidate others by attacking them personally? Read what you said, it is nothing but an attack on me personally.

I never said MacArthur was not a Calvinist. That would be totally stupid to do. I have said I don't think he is a five point Calvinist but rather a four point. But that is another subject.

I never said Dake didn't mean what he said. I said I don't believe Dake meant what one person on this forum claimed he said and meant.

As far as Copeland his words have convicted him many times so I don't have too.

I'm not judging anyone I simply asked if 6.1 million dollar house with 18,000+ SQ ft for two people was excess? You and Victorywood refuse to answer. Why is that?

What David did or did not do is between him and God I don't know how God will deal with David and frankly it matters little to me. I must care how God deals with me. If I wink at sin, even the sin of excess, I must answer for it. And so must everyone. So when defend someone as a great man of God we have to insure he is worthy of the title.

[Justaned]

REVED your wasting your breath.

Frederick K. C. Price on Prosperity:

• ... what has happened is that a lot of Christians have made prosperity a thing for me, myself, and I - us three. They have made the prosperity message a way to get bigger houses, newer cars, more designer clothes, and a nice bank account. Many have forgotten about those in the world who don't know Jesus, and are lost and on their way to hell. (Price, The Purpose of Prosperity, Page 6)

I have heard Price brag on his Rolls Royce. He knows what to say but his actions speak far louder than his words.
He chases manna with the best of them.

I know Billy but God has told us to strive to insure HIs truth is known.

[cpbeller]

I did answer you, Ed. You just did not like my answer..."your problem, not mine".

I said I do not know what the point of excess is. I leave that up to God to decide. But it seems as though you, of course, have taken it upon yourself to determine, to decide, what the point of excess is for everyone, especially those whom you do not like.

You keep showing in your posts that you give no regard or respect for anyone but those whom you have allied yourself with...but yet, you don't like it when it happens to you? Whatever. You know what...why should I even bother answering your stupid question? Nothing anyone says will ever change anything you think. Even if Kenneth Copeland sold his house and gave it all to the poor, you would still find something to complain about. Why? Because that is the type of person you are.

It is quite telling to me how you, Watchman and Billy want to dance around Hagin and Hagin's teachings, but feel that Copeland is deplorable and worthy of nothing but your scorn and hatred.

And, Ed...you did refuse to accept MacArthur as a calvanist...even after he said he was. You have come on here and told us that none of us know what Dake meant (but you did). You have said these things, yet you claim you did not. I have given evidence times before. I am not going to spend anymore time proving the stupid things you say and claimed. Waste of my time. Just like discussing anything from the Bible is a colossal with you is waste of time.

[bibleman]

I did answer you, Ed. You just did not like my answer..."your problem, not mine".

I said I do not know what the point of excess is. I leave that up to God to decide. But it seems as though you, of course, have taken it upon yourself to determine, to decide, what the point of excess is for everyone, especially those whom you do not like.

You keep showing in your posts that you give no regard or respect for anyone but those whom you have allied yourself with...but yet, you don't like it when it happens to you? Whatever. You know what...why should I even bother answering your stupid question? Nothing anyone says will ever change anything you think. Even if Kenneth Copeland sold his house and gave it all to the poor, you would still find something to complain about. Why? Because that is the type of person you are.

It is quite telling to me how you, Watchman and Billy want to dance around Hagin and Hagin's teachings, but feel that Copeland is deplorable and worthy of nothing but your scorn and hatred.

And, Ed...you did refuse to accept MacArthur as a calvanist...even after he said he was. You have come on here and told us that none of us know what Dake meant (but you did). You have said these things, yet you claim you did not. I have given evidence times before. I am not going to spend anymore time proving the stupid things you say and claimed. Waste of my time. Just like discussing anything from the Bible is a colossal with you is waste of time.

Good word Chris!

You should look into becoming a Biblical counselor...

You seem to have Ed figured out, Now if he would only take your Scriptural and logical advice.

[victoryword]

and he has bragged that he is a billionare.
when people are unable to even consider these things with critical thought its over.that message is so deplorable its stinks in the nostrils of God.

Kenneth Hagin, Jr. on Prosperity:

• For the last two years I've told our RHEMA students, "If you came here with ears itching to get faith so you can drive Cadillacs, fly airplanes, or have million-dollar homes, go home. Or else reach up, pull off those itching ears, and say, 'I'm here to receive what God has for me.' Pp. 17, 18 (Itching Ears, 1982)

hey you never answered about your hero the man of God Copeland. Is 6.1 million dollar 18,000+ sq ft house excess or not?

Hi Billy, that quote is NOT Copeland. It was written by an old Baptist preacher from the early 1900s named F.B. Meyer. Just wanted to see who would be the first to condemn Copeland over something he did NOT say.

You won

[Rocky]

I was thinking. Why does it have to be wrong for a Christian to have a mansion or nice cars or be wealthy? Maybe we are still in the mindset of the proverbial camel shirt. Meaning back in the middle ages while some Christians were fasting or praying they would wear and walk around with a camel shirt because it was miserable and uncomfortable. Being in want or miserable does not make someone a better Christian or wearing a camel shirt. Someone sees a Christian pull up in a nice car and they get judged, and unbeliever does this and they get praised. Does not God want his people blessed? Jesus said if we being evil know how to give things to our kids how much more will God gives us good things.

[cpbeller]

I agree, Rocky. Now, I will be the first to tell you, YES, there are abuses of prosperity in the WoF movement. But there are also abuses in usage of God forgiving us. So, should we just toss out the teaching of God forgiving us? According to some of these guys and what they are saying, because they disagree with Kenyon's understanding (along with Hagin, to be completely honest) of the cross...we need to throw out the cross, too. According to them, the cross is being abused. So, if it works for prosperity, it has to work for the cross...Get rid of it.

Now, I disagree with that...there are abuses, there are doctrinal errors. That is why the teachers and the preachers need to be doing their jobs and putting forth the truth of the gospel. Instead, we have so-called ministers launching vicious lies and attacks on ppl that they disagree with. Then, they want to claim the moral "high-praise" ground when they are called out on it, trying to be a martyr. It honestly disgusts me.

[Justaned]

I did answer you, Ed. You just did not like my answer..."your problem, not mine".

I said I do not know what the point of excess is. I leave that up to God to decide. But it seems as though you, of course, have taken it upon yourself to determine, to decide, what the point of excess is for everyone, especially those whom you do not like.

You keep showing in your posts that you give no regard or respect for anyone but those whom you have allied yourself with...but yet, you don't like it when it happens to you? Whatever. You know what...why should I even bother answering your stupid question? Nothing anyone says will ever change anything you think. Even if Kenneth Copeland sold his house and gave it all to the poor, you would still find something to complain about. Why? Because that is the type of person you are.

It is quite telling to me how you, Watchman and Billy want to dance around Hagin and Hagin's teachings, but feel that Copeland is deplorable and worthy of nothing but your scorn and hatred.

And, Ed...you did refuse to accept MacArthur as a calvanist...even after he said he was. You have come on here and told us that none of us know what Dake meant (but you did). You have said these things, yet you claim you did not. I have given evidence times before. I am not going to spend anymore time proving the stupid things you say and claimed. Waste of my time. Just like discussing anything from the Bible is a colossal with you is waste of time.

Gee always a waste of you time yet you have time to defame people. Interesting.

You don't know what excess is?? Is that your answer? COP OUT!!!!!!!!!!

My problem with Copeland is not how much money he has, or even how he spends it. My problem is how he got his money. By working the pockets of people that believed if they gave money to him God has to bless them and so they would have money like him.

If a man works hard, gives what God has impressed on him to give, fully met the needs of his wife and family and saved the rest and became wealthy I don't see a problem. But when someone preaches in a way that the people sitting under them believe a way to wealth is giving to the preacher there is a problem. I further believe when a "man of God" starts amazing a fortune in amount far more than needed to meet the future needs of his family instead of teaching by example and giving to the poor there is a problem.

[cpbeller]

Ed: "blah blah blah blah blah"

Whatever

EDIT to add: I do want to congratulate you on your promotion. Somehow, I did not get the memo about your "obvious" promotion as Head of the Heavenly Treasury Department. Since you are speaking as though you are qualified to tell everyone wjether or not they are permitted to be blessed by God, and by how much. So, CONGRATS Ed!! I hope you do Gods job proud!!!

[Justaned]

Ed: "blah blah blah blah blah"

Whatever

EDIT to add: I do want to congratulate you on your promotion. Somehow, I did not get the memo about your "obvious" promotion as Head of the Heavenly Treasury Department. Since you are speaking as though you are qualified to tell everyone wjether or not they are permitted to be blessed by God, and by how much. So, CONGRATS Ed!! I hope you do Gods job proud!!!

Get answer absolutely no evidence, no constructive comment only an attack on my person.

I came across this quote today you might like because it is speaking to your actions.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."