Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Who is in control?

[Justaned]

I man could simply choose not to sin then why did man need Jesus?

How did Jesus death and resurrection effect the interaction between man and sin?

What is the point of becoming a New Creation if you can just go back in roll in the mud like the old man did?

Why is Jesus called Lord everywhere in scripture if in fact he really isn't Lord of us or is only Lord in name only since none of us have to listen and obey Him.

Why is Salvation always reduced down to man obeying or not obeying, sinning or not sinning. Wasn't there something else missing that required man to be born again, to become a new creation, for Jesus to die and rise from the cross?

Think about what you guys are advocating. It is all about man.

UH OH!

Ed, you have now gone hyper grace as well!

I know it seems like hyper grace and it may be. But I believe it is just a theology that I won't mentioned that has its it roots in another theology that I won't mention, that is taught by a certain preacher that I will not name because if I do that someone gets really mad. But it is a theology that teaches if you are a real Christian you are prevented from sinning by God.
But Ed is not completely adhering to the unmentioned theologies because he will say a Christian is controlled by God to prevent someone from sinning but some how they can actually sin even though he said the Christian is unable to, that if the Christian some how breaks away from the control and does sin he cant be reconciled to God if he sins. Also, but if he does sin he was not really save in the first place. Which will result in the person reading those ideas to go a squirrel killing spree with a pair of pantyhose on their head on top of a clock tower, shooting at the unsuspecting squirrels below... Now where did I put that pair of pantyhose.....

Where did I say you are prevented from sinning?
Didn't I say Christians sin and if anyone denies he sins he is liar.
So what are you talking about?

I thought you said Christians would not WILLING sin!

I did! Do you think Christians willingly sin? If so how are they any different that non Christians?

Here argue with scripture.
1 John 3:6 (NKJV)
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

1 John 3:9 (NKJV)
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 (NKJV)
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

1 Peter 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,

Romans 6:22 (NKJV)
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Romans 6:16 (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Romans 6:11 (NKJV)
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Well Ed,

In your last comment just above you said: "Didn't I say Christians sin and if anyone denies he sins he is liar."

So there you say Christians sin and then right after that you say Christians don't sin!

Ed, you are loosing what is left of your mind!

As I have been saying over and over Christians don't willfully sin. They still unintentionally sin, or commit sins of omission but they don't plan bank robberies.

[Justaned]

I would like someone to point me to where in scripture you find the doctrine of backsliding. I would like to see where that doctrine is taught.

[bibleman]

As I have been saying over and over Christians don't willfully sin. They still unintentionally sin, or commit sins of omission but they don't plan bank robberies.

Tell me Ed,

Which one of these sins are "unintentional?"

[branham1965]

a child can read the Bible and know that you are in the ditch Reved.im sorry no offence.but this has gone off the rails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the prodigal left home sinned was in the pigpen and came home.

Peter.....

the Pauline Epistles prove Christians can sin

why would Paul warn Hebrews about having an evil heart of unbelief departing from God.

James said if you convert your brother you have saved him.

read Rev.2:21

[branham1965]

the Campbellites i once met with in my married days .........vehemently fought over

SINS OF COMMISSION
SINS OF OMISSION
SINS OF IGNORANCE

SINS OF WEAKNESS OF THE FLESH

they condemned themselves and everyone else.no one could be saved.

GOD SAID WE KNOW IN PART 1 COR 13.WE KNOW IN PART...IN PART ...IN PART.

SANCTIFICATION IS A DEFINITE PROGRESSIVE WORK OF GRACE.

PRACTICES SIN IS WHAT THE GREEK MEANS IN 1 JOHN.
HE WHO WILLFULLY PRACTICES SIN HABITUALLY.....
THE DEVIL HAS DRIVEN MORE PEOPLE NUTS ABOUT THESE TOUGH SCRIPTURES THAN SANDS IN THE SEA..............

[Justaned]

As I have been saying over and over Christians don't willfully sin. They still unintentionally sin, or commit sins of omission but they don't plan bank robberies.

Tell me Ed,

Which one of these sins are "unintentional?"

Which one does Christians willfully and deliberately commit?

[bibleman]

As I have been saying over and over Christians don't willfully sin. They still unintentionally sin, or commit sins of omission but they don't plan bank robberies.

Tell me Ed,

Which one of these sins are "unintentional?"

Which one does Christians willfully and deliberately commit?

1) They are Christians. Then DON't brake the commandments.

2) Lust arouses sin in their heart then they may brake them all.

3) Then they have backsliden, become sinners and need to be saved again!

[Rocky]

a child can read the Bible and know that you are in the ditch Reved.im sorry no offence.but this has gone off the rails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the prodigal left home sinned was in the pigpen and came home.

Peter.....

the Pauline Epistles prove Christians can sin

why would Paul warn Hebrews about having an evil heart of unbelief departing from God.

James said if you convert your brother you have saved him.

read Rev.2:21

[branham1965]

im trying with my caps Rocky....
if i could explain it ...

a child can read the Bible and know that you are in the ditch Reved.im sorry no offence.but this has gone off the rails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the prodigal left home sinned was in the pigpen and came home.

Peter.....

the Pauline Epistles prove Christians can sin

why would Paul warn Hebrews about having an evil heart of unbelief departing from God.

James said if you convert your brother you have saved him.

read Rev.2:21

[Rocky]

Where did I say you are prevented from sinning?
Didn't I say Christians sin and if anyone denies he sins he is liar.
So what are you talking about?

Ed: If a believer has made the conscious decision to submit to Jesus' Lordship the his behavior and actions are controlled by Jesus.Therefore if we maintain that relationship our actions and behaviors are controlled by God.

Now I am no English major, But is not that what these statements are saying?
Ed please don't get offended, I believe I think I know the problem. The reason why you come across as double talking because you are adhering to a Calvinistic view of this(not the predestination aspect of Calvinism but the lack of free will aspect of Calvinism as it pertains to the Calvinistic doctrines of Monergism and Lordship salvation) while trying to mix it with and Arminian view of scripture. That's why you are having trouble harmonizing the scriptures, I been there bro. It stopped for me when I started using my MacArthur study bible as door stop instead of using it to learn and to understand the bible.