Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ WHEN heb 6 and 10 apply

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Ed, This is still taking free will out. As a Christian, I still have the ability to sin if I chose to, But I chose to live for Christ and walk in the spirit. And again you just used a scripture that said a Christian can sin willfully.

Okay now what does this scripture say about a CHRISTIAN sinning willfully?

Hebrews 10:26-27 (NKJV)
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Does it not say THERE NO LONGER REMAINS A SACRIFICE FOR SINS? What does that mean to you? To me it means you have cooked your goose.

And I am sorry for using names that's how theology is described, we humans come up with labels to describe things :) You are trying to mix Arminianism and Calvinisism you must accept the bible to be one or the other, you can't have it both ways.

First this isn't Calvinism or Arminianism it is simply biblical truth. I don't want it both ways I only want it the way scripture says it is.

That's why sometimes you get accused of double talking. Its walking in a perpetual oxymoron. The two theologies are so far from each other. You seem to be wanting it your way, almost as if the bible is a cafeteria. I'll have a little Arminianism with a side order of calvinism and maybe a little of that Catholicism and call EDism ,wow, what a big nasty plate of food you have there lol. No but really, in your attempts to mix Arminianism and Calvinism theology you have contradicted your self. One is right and one is wrong. In your attempts at Arminianism you say Christian can apostate while the Calvinistic side of you is saying a true Christian wont sin, ah but you just said a Christian can sin willfully, you also say but if he did he wasn't saved in the first place, hmm could it be your definition of backsliding is off, and maybe grace is actually conditional? which is it? Is any one else seeing this?

It is only people that can not defend their position that resort to name calling.
If you have proof that I'm wrong, scriptural proof then produce it.
Show me where is says a Christian can willfully sin, lose their salvation, repent get saved again, willfully sin, lose their salvation, repent get saved, willfully sin.

I see the scriptures talk of sinners and of the saved. I see the bible saying you are either walking in the flesh or in the spirit. That you can't do both. It then says if that if you willfully sin there no longer remains a sacrifice for you. That is not Calvinism or Ariminianism that is Bible.


You seem to advocating what many "Sunday Christians" do. On Sunday they are all spiritual but on Monday to Saturday they walk in the flesh. Now they might think they are saved but scripture clearly states they are sadly mistaken.

That is why I have always said there is going to be a lot of surprises come judgement day. And many that will be most surprised are the preachers that talk about being saved, losing salvation, being saved, losing salvation, being saved, losing salvation. Like salvation is a yo-yo if it is up your saved if it is down you lost. NONSENSE!

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Edited for wanting to choke Ed lol

If you choke Ed you'll take away all of the fun that this forum has to offer. He is the closest thing to a Calvinist and cessationist that we have around here. I know that he claims that he is neither but then again Hank Hanegraaff has also made the same claims while espousing both in his books.

So please don't kill Ed unless you can talk Hanegraaff into hanging out here