Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[branham1965]

REVEREND BIBLE
IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION in a way.
NOW DO YOU THINK I HAVE NOT SINCE 15 HAVE NOT MADE IT MY LIFE'S WORK LITERALLY TO STUDY THE WORD AND KNOW THE LIVING GOD???????DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BIBLES IVE MARKED UP????I HAVE OWNED...IF MY LATE PASTOR WAS ALIVE....WELL IF HE WAS ALIVE THAT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING.

YOU HAVE SAID NICE THINGS ABOUT ME IN THIS WAY IN TIMES PAST.
HERE IS WHERE YOU ...IM SAYING THAT LEADERS IN PENTECOST FROM YOU TO MOTHER ETTER,DR.DOWIE,SISTER AIMEE,BROTHER BRANHAM, F.F.BOSWORTH,ORAL ROBERTS,P.C.NELSON,KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN ,ERNEST ANGLEY,KEN COPELAND ,JACK W.HAYFORD .....ETC.ETC... THE LIST GOES ON
THEY ALL FALL EITHER WITH REVEREND DAKE
OR DAD HAGINS VIEW.WHICH IS A BAPTIST VIEW BUT ALSO PENTECOSTAL.
BUT ILL EXPLAIN.

DAD HAGIN HAD VISIONS OF JESUS CHRIST.8 MAJOR VISIONS.HE HAD MORE.SOME HE NEVER DID TELL ABOUT.EITHER THEY WERE REAL OR FALSE.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE REAL.
HE TALKED ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE THE MINISTERS WIFE.THIS IS WELL KNOWN BY MOST.
HE TOLD OF A MAN HE PRAYED FOR THAT HE COULD NOT SAY HEALING.AND THE LORD TOOK HIS HAND OFF THE MANS HEAD.HE SAID WHY CANT I PRAY FOR THIS MAN LORD???HES YOUNG...AROUND 50 I RECALL ..JESUS SAID BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO DIE.I HAVE WAITED ON THIS MAN FOR 36 YEARS TO JUDGE HIMSELF AND PUT AWAY SIN.BUT HE WOULDNT LIVE RIGHT FOR MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AT A TIME.SO I HAVE DELIVERED HIM TO SATAN FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH THAT THE SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED IN THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS.
DAD THEN WAS INSTRUCTED BY JESUS TO PRAY FOR HIM AND HE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AND TOLD THE MAN YOUR LAST DAYS WILL BE BETTER THAN YOUR FIRST.HE SAID THE MAN SAT UP IN BED AND PRAYED AND SANG IN TONGUES FOR A FEW DAYS.WHEN THEY DROVE OFF HE SMILED AND WAVED AT THEM DAD AND SISTER ORETHA ON THE PORCH.AND DIED THE NEXT DAY.NOW DAD SAID THATS NOT GOD'S BEST FOR THAT MAN NO BUT IT SURE DO BEAT GOING TO HELL.IVE BEEN THERE.HES UP THERE WITH THE LORD KNOW BLESS GOD.

TO ME THE RHEMA PEOPLE ARE MORE BALANCED AND HEALTHIER SPIRITUALLY THAN SP PEOPLE.AND IM NOT SOME NOVICE.IVE BEEN THROUGH A FEW THINGS AND SEEN ALOT.SP PEOPLE MOST ARE NUEROTIC AND UNSTABLE.THEY CANT LIVE PERFECT IN THE FLESH SO THEY DO ONE OF 3 THINGS HANG ON LIKE A PITBULLOR BULLDOG OR ABANDON IT ALL.SOME GO TO OTHER CHURCHES.LIKE MIKES AND JOES AND MIKE TOLD ME THEY ARE THE MOST SCREWED UP TORTURED PEOPLE ON EARTH.REMEMBER THE GUY HERE WHO BRAGGED HE HADNT SINNED IN 9 MONTHS????RATHER THAN REBUKE HIM PEOPLE STARTED TRYING TO COPY HIM.WELL IVE WENT 3 MONTHS.
IT WAS SICK.
ALSO ITS BASED ON THE TEACHING OF BEING BORN AGAIN A ???TIMES OR ONCE.
JUDE SAID TWICE DEAD PLUCKED UP BY THE ROOTS.TWICE.NOT 100000000000 TIMES.THEN PUT BACK IN.THATS WRESTING.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL DOCTRINES EVER.THATS WHY JOSEPH PRINCE IS DOING SO WELL.BECAUSE HE IS REACHING PEOPLE CAUGHT UP IN THAT SP THING.AND HES HELPING PEOPLE.THEY LIKE HIM AT RHEMA ...TO A POINT I NOTICE.I CALL THEM FOR PRAYER ALL THE TIME.
BUT LIKE ALL TRUTH REDISCOVERED ITS OVEREMPHASIZED TOO FAR .

YOU ARE QUOTING DAKES INTERPRETATION OF THESE VERSES.IF ITS NOT INTERPRETATION THEN ITS MORE.
IF ITS MORE IS IT REVELATION OR INSPIRATION???ARE THE NOTES INSPIRED????
IM SPEAKING FROM MY HEART WITH NO MALICE TOWARDS ANYONE.

REVEREND
IF MEN OF GOD DISAGREE ON THIS HOW DO THEY YOU ANYONE EXPECT A COMMON LAYMEN TO KNOW????

WHY IS IT THAT THOSE WHO DRILL THIS THING INTO PEOPLE ....IT DOES NOT WORK??!!!!

MY FRIENDS WHO ARE RHEMA MEN 2 FROM WARREN WHO WERE GOOD FRIENDS WITH DAD HAGIN AND 1 HERE WHO IS A RHEMA MAN SAY THIS IS THE CASE.IT JUST MESSES PEOPLE UP.....REAL BAD.

BROTHER COPELAND AND DAD HAGIN NEVER ONCE TAUGHT THAT STUFF.

Hi Billy,

Well how about you?

Do you disagree with Dake on this too?

Dake says:

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13. Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

You asked: "IF MEN OF GOD DISAGREE ON THIS HOW DO THEY YOU ANYONE EXPECT A COMMON LAYMEN TO KNOW????"

All one has to do is read and study the Bible, Billy.

From a simple study of the Bible and a belief in the Scripture as found in 2 Cor 5:17, the truth can be easily seen.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The old man with the sin nature passed away at the New Birth.

To believe otherwise would be: "the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom" as Dake said.

[branham1965]

WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO DAD HAGIN IN HIS LIFE OR BROTHER COPELAND NOW????????????????
NOT A CHANCE.
BUT US NOBODYS WHO DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING LIKE REVEREND DAKE TAUGHT WE GET IT.
IF EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS 100%%%% PERFECT .IF HE IS FALLIBLE THEN HIS INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE WAS FALLIBLE.PERIOD.
NOW HE WAS THE SCHOLAR OF PENTECOST ALONG WITH DR.PETER CHRISTOPHER NELSON.
IF ALL HE WROTE IS RIGHT THEN HE SAW NOT IN PART BUT CLEARLY.I HEARD ERNEST ANGLEY PREACH ON THAT.AND HE SAID NO ONE OUTSIDE OF EDEN KNOWS ALL THOSE THINGS.

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.

So before you charge me with disagreeing with Dake as you usually do. Don't convolute Dakes words and make sure you know what he is saying.

How about this ED?

Is this what Dake said?

These statements of Scripture plainly state the fact that sin is something more than “transgression of the law” or outward sin, and something separate from man himself. Every one of these expressions proves that there is a real law of sin and death, and back of this law, executing it, a real power from a real nature and a real person who is stronger than man himself. It is the “old man,” “the body of sin,” and “the body of this death” that are to be destroyed, and not the body, soul, and spirit of man (Rom. 6:1-22; 8:1-13; Gal. 5:24; Col. 2:11). When this “old man” is delivered or annulled from operating in man, the body, soul, and spirit of the man as originally created are still there. Man is liberated from the devil for the first time in his life when this is done. It is the “lusts,” “desires,” and “motions of sin” from the devil in man's body, soul, and spirit that are destroyed, put to death and “put off,” and not any part of the created body, soul, or spirit of man. Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 409.

PLUS - If you will listen to the MP3's on tape number "21B Present Dealings" you will hear a complete discussion of this Sin nature deal that you are so confused about.

[Justaned]

Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.

The battle with Satan and sin (the "born again" Christian does not have a "sin nature" though he still struggles with the flesh). The Bible refers to Satan as "the Tempter" and equates living in sin with being of Satan (1 John 3:8). Also compare Gen. 4:7 with 1 John 3:12.

We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.
As for sin I agree I have already said over and over true Christians do not live in sin. If you aren't a Christian then you are a sinner and you are with Satan.

Hi Ed,

Above you said; " We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.

Dake says:

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13. Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Ed, would you agree with Dake that your teaching on man still having a sin nature AFTER salvation "is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom " ?

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.
Adam and Eve never had these things until the serpent awakened them in garden.
I agree sin must past away and can not be excused. But to do so requires us to crucify the flesh. And even then we still need Jesus as our intercessor. If we were completely without sin then why would we need Jesus to intercede for us?

Dake is making my point you can not be in Christ and willfully sin. It is an oxymoron. That does not say mortal man will never sin. Man will still sin mostly the sin of omission and also by failing to control his emotions a Christian will unwillingly and sinfully react.

So before you charge me with disagreeing with Dake as you usually do. Don't convolute Dakes words and make sure you know what he is saying.

Hi Ed,

Above you said; " We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.

Dake says:

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13. Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".


Ed, would you agree with Dake that your teaching on man still having a sin nature AFTER salvation "is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom " ?

That is not what this passage is saying. It is saying the outward and inward sin must pass away of one cannot claim to be in Christ. To that I agree! I have repeatedly said to willfully sin proves you are not in Christ.

Dake then goes on to say that "the theory that only outward transgression are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines of Christendom."
First I never believed we were under the devils control. I believe we have a sin nature, lust of the flesh, lust of the eye, pride of life. That sin nature and law allowed Satan to separate us from God and into spiritual death. Jesus fulfilled the Law by paying the price for sin thus freeing us from the penalty of spiritual death defeating Satan's desire for us.
However we still have lusts, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh. Which is why scripture tells us we must crucify the flesh.
The fact that all men still sin proves that sin nature still exists in each of us. It will only depart from us when we get our glorified bodies.

I don't think Dake was denying that I think Dake was denying the fact that some people think only our outward sin was forgiven and that inward sin (sin of lust) is still under control of Satan. That sin is controlled by Satan. That is not true and never was Satan may tempt it, may provide justification, may offer excuse but the committal of the sin is still on man. The devil didn't make you do it. And Man does it because man has a sin nature known as lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life.

So in answer to your question yes I agree with Dake but what Dake said is not that man doesn't have a sin nature but in that there is an erroneous teaching that Satan still controls man inward sin.

[bibleman]

WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO DAD HAGIN IN HIS LIFE OR BROTHER COPELAND NOW????????????????
NOT A CHANCE.
BUT US NOBODYS WHO DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING LIKE REVEREND DAKE TAUGHT WE GET IT.
IF EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS 100%%%% PERFECT .IF HE IS FALLIBLE THEN HIS INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE WAS FALLIBLE.PERIOD.
NOW HE WAS THE SCHOLAR OF PENTECOST ALONG WITH DR.PETER CHRISTOPHER NELSON.
IF ALL HE WROTE IS RIGHT THEN HE SAW NOT IN PART BUT CLEARLY.I HEARD ERNEST ANGLEY PREACH ON THAT.AND HE SAID NO ONE OUTSIDE OF EDEN KNOWS ALL THOSE THINGS.

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.

So before you charge me with disagreeing with Dake as you usually do. Don't convolute Dakes words and make sure you know what he is saying.

How about this ED?

Is this what Dake said?

These statements of Scripture plainly state the fact that sin is something more than “transgression of the law” or outward sin, and something separate from man himself. Every one of these expressions proves that there is a real law of sin and death, and back of this law, executing it, a real power from a real nature and a real person who is stronger than man himself. It is the “old man,” “the body of sin,” and “the body of this death” that are to be destroyed, and not the body, soul, and spirit of man (Rom. 6:1-22; 8:1-13; Gal. 5:24; Col. 2:11). When this “old man” is delivered or annulled from operating in man, the body, soul, and spirit of the man as originally created are still there. Man is liberated from the devil for the first time in his life when this is done. It is the “lusts,” “desires,” and “motions of sin” from the devil in man's body, soul, and spirit that are destroyed, put to death and “put off,” and not any part of the created body, soul, or spirit of man. Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 409.

PLUS - If you will listen to the MP3's on tape number "21B Present Dealings" you will hear a complete discussion of this Sin nature deal that you are so confused about.

Hi Billy,

You asked: "WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO DAD HAGIN IN HIS LIFE OR BROTHER COPELAND NOW?"

Yes I would, if they made statements about Dake showing that they did not know what Dake said, like Ed does, then yes I would.

You said: "BUT US NOBODYS WHO DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING LIKE REVEREND DAKE TAUGHT WE GET IT."

You are not a nobody. You are a somebody that God loves! AND therefore valuable an highly favored of the LORD! Yo do not have to believe like Dake that is fine. No problem. BUT I can believe like Dake and it has to be fine and no problem with you. I happen to think Dake was right on this issues so I believe him.

And like you I have the right to say it. You can agree or not that is your right. You can be right or wrong that is your choice. I will love and respect you just the same.

The same is true with Ed, he can be right or wrong as he is in this case, that does not mean that I don't respect him and love him in the Lord - because I do.

[branham1965]

thats a very beautiful post Reverend Bible.

thank you very much.

[Rocky]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

[Justaned]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

[Rocky]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

[victoryword]

Oh an no for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Reminds me of something DL Moody once said. A woman came to him and said, "You don't believe in going to the theater, do you?" He responded, "I go to the theater anytime I want to." She said, "Really?" and he said, "Yes. I go to the theater anytime I want to. I just don't want to."

[Justaned]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Rocky
What is Satan's nature and what scripture are you using to reach that opinion? Our sin nature is our propensity to sin. How can Satan tempt if the desire is not there? There would be nothing to tempt. Rocky you are not being honest with yourself, you serve a master that demands a certain dress for example. I'm sure if I knew you better I could tell you other masters you serve.