Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ WHEN heb 6 and 10 apply

[Rocky]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

[Justaned]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

No I see no reply to victoryword from you in this thread so what are you talking about?

[Rocky]

Enough, talk only to Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 and show me how they support your saved, lost, saved doctrine

And now the calvinism finally comes out

[Justaned]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

You are quick to accuse people of all sort of things but you are slow to produce scripture that supports your position. Why is that?

[Rocky]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

[Justaned]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

Why is it you can call it names but you can't talk directly to the two passages in question? Is it because to do so would require you to admit you have no idea? That you just heard a Christian can "backslide" and have accepted it as truth?
Or is it because you experienced it or at least think you have?

Unless you directly speak to the two passages in question I and everyone else must assume you have nothing.

Call this double talk call it rubbish but the fact remains you can not and have not answered the question.

[Rocky]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

Why is it you can call it names but you can't talk directly to the two passages in question? Is it because to do so would require you to admit you have no idea? That you just heard a Christian can "backslide" and have accepted it as truth?
Or is it because you experienced it or at least think you have?
Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labled But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of you ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?
Unless you directly speak to the two passages in question I and everyone else must assume you have nothing.

Call this double talk call it rubbish but the fact remains you can not and have not answered the question.

[Rocky]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

Why is it you can call it names but you can't talk directly to the two passages in question? Is it because to do so would require you to admit you have no idea? That you just heard a Christian can "backslide" and have accepted it as truth?
Or is it because you experienced it or at least think you have?
Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labled But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of you ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?
Unless you directly speak to the two passages in question I and everyone else must assume you have nothing.

Call this double talk call it rubbish but the fact remains you can not and have not answered the question.

Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labeled. But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of your ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology type views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?

[branham1965]

i think you are rock solid REVED.

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

Why is it you can call it names but you can't talk directly to the two passages in question? Is it because to do so would require you to admit you have no idea? That you just heard a Christian can "backslide" and have accepted it as truth?
Or is it because you experienced it or at least think you have?
Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labled But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of you ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?
Unless you directly speak to the two passages in question I and everyone else must assume you have nothing.

Call this double talk call it rubbish but the fact remains you can not and have not answered the question.

Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labeled. But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of your ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology type views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?

[Justaned]

Ed, did you actually read my reply to victoryword? You are just trolling these forums.

Better question is did you actually read my reply to your last post which I quoted on Backslidding?

Yes it was just more rubbish

Why is it you can call it names but you can't talk directly to the two passages in question? Is it because to do so would require you to admit you have no idea? That you just heard a Christian can "backslide" and have accepted it as truth?
Or is it because you experienced it or at least think you have?
Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labled But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of you ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?
Unless you directly speak to the two passages in question I and everyone else must assume you have nothing.

Call this double talk call it rubbish but the fact remains you can not and have not answered the question.

Ed, a lot of us have, you just dismiss it and then get offensive and act like a martyr and cry that you are being attacked or unfairly labeled. But I will address these scriptures when I came back, I need coffee. But I do want you to know, even though I highly disagree with you on a lot of your ideas. I do think you are smart and I know you love the lord. However you are very confusing and have a lot of what I believe reformed theology type views, which are confusing in of itself. I renounce all of that theology there is nothing about Calvinism that is Biblical or even Christian. And I see as someone who is trying to spread this heretical theology on this forum. Do you even own a DARB? Because every post I see you do is totally the opposite of everything Finis Dake taught. Why is that?

Actually I own most of not all of Dake's works including his Bible and God's Plan for Man. I actually think Dake and myself agree on most points. Some we totally disagree on but I usually stay away from them since everyone hates me when I show Dake to be wrong. That said here is what Dakes says on these two passages which is exactly what I have been saying.

On Hebrew 6:4-6

2. Christians can fully apostatize from Christ, completely rejecting Him and His atoning work, so that it is impossible to renew them again to repentance (Heb. 6:4-9; 10:26-29; 2Pet. 2:20-22).
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

On Hebrew 10:26-27

d [there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins] The first New Testament prophecy in Hebrews (Heb. 10:26-31). Next, Heb. 12:27. When one rejects Christ as the only sacrifice for sin, there remains no other. He will have to suffer the punishments of that rejection (see Seven Judgments of Apostates.) Such are willful apostates, not ordinary backsliders (see notes, 6:4-9). As long as a backslider retains his faith in Christ and His atonement he can be renewed to repentance, but if he totally rejects Christ and His gospel, he becomes hopeless. See Fourfold Apostasy and the End of Apostates.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 10".

Admittedly Dake uses the term Backslidding but since the term is never defined in scripture, nor is it ever suggestted by scripture to be something a saved person can do I see no point in exploring.

Here is what Dake says on Apostasy

Fivefold Former State of Apostates

1. Were once enlightened, but not now enlightened (Heb. 6:4). Thayer's Greek Lexicon says this refers to "those who have been made Christians." Paul uses the same term of saved individuals elsewhere (Eph. 1:18; Heb. 10:32; cp. Ps. 19:7-8; Lk. 11:34-36). Only saints are called "children of light" (Eph. 5:8; Col. 1:12; 1Th. 5:5), and only saved people are spoken of as being in the light (Mt. 5:14-15; Lk. 16:8; Jn. 3:20-21; 8:12; 12:36; Rom. 13:12; Eph. 5:14; Col. 1:12; 1Jn. 1:7; 2:9-10). Only people who have not been saved as spoken of as being darkened from gospel light (2Cor. 4:4; Eph. 4:18; 5:8; Col. 1:13; 1Th. 5:5; 1Pet. 2:9; 1Jn. 1:6; 2:8-11).

2. Have tasted of the heavenly gift (Heb. 6:4). The Greek: geuomai (GSN-<G1089>), have experience of. Translated "to eat" (Acts 10:10; 20:11; 23:14) and "to taste" (Heb. 6:4,5; 2:9; Mt. 16:28; 27:34; Mk. 9:1; Lk. 9:27; 14:24; Jn. 2:9; 8:52; Col. 2:21; 1Pet. 2:3). How could one taste of death, taste the Lord, taste the heavenly gift, and other things of these passages without experiencing them?

3. Were made partakers of the Holy Spirit (Heb. 6:4). Greek: metochos (GSN-<G3353>), partner and fellow with (note, Heb. 3:1). No sinner is a partaker of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9-16). It is almost blasphemy to accuse the Holy Spirit of being a partner, sharer, and an associate with the ungodly. Jesus said that sinners cannot receive the Holy Spirit (Jn. 14:17). Jude confirmed the same truth (Jude 1:19).

4. Have tasted the good Word of God (Heb. 6:5). To taste the Word of God is to be saved, as proved in Mt. 13:20-23; Lk. 8:13-15; Jn. 15:3; Acts 2:41; 4:4; 8:14; 11:1; 17:11; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 5:26; Jas. 1:18-25; 1Pet. 1:18-23. No man receives the Word and remains unsaved.

5. Have tasted the powers of the world to come (Heb. 6:5). To taste of these powers means to experience eternal life. Every time such statement is found it refers to eternal life (Mt. 10:30; Lk. 18:30; 20:35). See notes on Heb. 10:26-29.

Notes For Verse 6
a [If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance]


Fourfold Apostasy and the End of Apostates

1. If they shall fall away (Heb. 6:6). "Fall away" is from the Greek: parapipto (GSN-<G3895>), to fall aside; apostatize; fall away. It means to throw overboard all faith in the experiences of the gospel and to deny them. People are here warned that such is possible. How could they fall away from the experiences of Heb. 6:4-5 if they never had them? The language is past tense and factual so it cannot be denied that the ones referred to did at one time have experiences.

2. To renew them again to repentance is impossible. The reason given is that they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to open shame. This is the final act of apostasy. They publicly judge Him an imposter and worthy of death. That is, they do not believe in Him or His atonement any longer. Since such faith is the only thing that could renew them again to repentance, it then becomes impossible. How could they be renewed again to repentance if they had not experienced repentance before? The word "again" means once more; another time; anew; and this require repentance once before

3. As that which bears thorns and briers, they are rejected (Heb. 6:8). Greek: adokimos (GSN-<G96>). See note b, 1Cor. 9:27.

4. The end of apostates (Heb. 6:8). Just like that which bears thorns and briers is burned, so apostates are to be punished in eternal hell (Isa. 66:22-24; Mt. 25:46; Mk. 9:43-49; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10-15).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

I have no problem and I am in agreement with these statements.

However you say Dake is wrong you say you entered into full Apostasy and then were saved again. I say that is impossible as does Dake.