Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ A terrible instance of God NOT being in control!

[Justaned]

Jesus and his disciples show us how to view the role of Satan in the world. He is the ruler of it, he is the god of it, and the whole world apart from those born again lie in his power. That is what Jesus, Paul and John have to say. Paul was not trying to hype this reality when he wrote that the believer has been delivered from the power and control of darkness into a totally different kingdom (Col 1). The kingdoms of this world are still under Satan (Rev 11:15)

Satan has no power he only rules what fallen man allows him to rule. He is only god if fallen man makes him a god.

Satan can only accuse the saints and tempt us. If we resist him he has to flee from us. He is the defeated foe unless we give in to his lies and elevate him in our minds.

When scripture says this world is under Satan it means that fallen man of this world has made Satan their king. But we are not of this world, we live in it but our Lord is Lord over all including Satan.

Whe Jesus said Satan was god of this world he was saying fallen man has made Satan god instead of God. Fallen man seeks after the things of Satan, Fallen man seeks to satisfy the flesh, the lust of the eyes and pride of life and will submit to any that promises him that. The problem is what Satan promises is a lie,
So what is god of this world? It is the lies of Satan. But God is still God of this world and one day every knee shall bow.

[branham1965]

Its no wonder that people think Christian Fundamentalist are nuts.

[Justaned]

Its no wonder that people think Christian Fundamentalist are nuts.

Billy it is because so many check their brain at the door and never think through what scirpture is telling them. They read it, they believe it, some even memorize it, but few ever think it through for themselves.

But let them have someone tell them this is how this scripture effects you and they buy it lock stock and barrel and never look back. It is just like they checked their brain.

[bibleman]

Its no wonder that people think Christian Fundamentalist are nuts.

Billy it is because so many check their brain at the door and never think through what scirpture is telling them. They read it, they believe it, some even memorize it, but few ever think it through for themselves.

But let them have someone tell them this is how this scripture effects you and they buy it lock stock and barrel and never look back. It is just like they checked their brain.

I have found that to be so true. It seems that liberals have no brain.

We tell them what the Word and they says things like, well you never know what God will do... well we just have to trust God... God is in control...

They do not take responsibility for their own actions and their part in God's law of sowing and reaping.

I think checking their brains at the door would be good to say as they check their brains at the Bible!

[Justaned]

Its no wonder that people think Christian Fundamentalist are nuts.

Billy it is because so many check their brain at the door and never think through what scirpture is telling them. They read it, they believe it, some even memorize it, but few ever think it through for themselves.

But let them have someone tell them this is how this scripture effects you and they buy it lock stock and barrel and never look back. It is just like they checked their brain.

I have found that to be so true. It seems that liberals have no brain.

We tell them what the Word and they says things like, well you never know what God will do... well we just have to trust God... God is in control...

They do not take responsibility for their own actions and their part in God's law of sowing and reaping.

I think checking their brains at the door would be good to say as they check their brains at the Bible!

I don't know if checking your brain is just a trait of Liberals or Conservatives but we see it exercised a lot lately.
What I would like to hear is some thought used to explain how God can prophesize things in the distant future that come to pass just as God said it would.
I would like to hear some thought to explain how God was able to show the John the martyred saints of the tribulation In the Book of Revelation. How can God show another person their faces when they haven't died yet unless God can transcend time.
I would like to hear how people die without God awareness if Jesus is the one that holds the keys of death and hades.
I would like to hear how people expect God to act on their prayers if they think God is powerless to control things.
I would like to hear thought out answers to these questions not just, "justaned you are wrong." Give me a well thought out answer to why I am wrong on these questions

[titus213]

Don’t be misled, my dear brothers. Every good gift, every perfect gift, comes from above. These gifts come down from the Father, the creator of the heavenly lights, in whose character there is no change at all. (James 1.16-17)

Dake comments: "Whatever is good comes from God who never changes; whatever is evil comes from Satan and fallen man, who are bent on doing whatever gains a selfish and sinful end".

Dake comments (from his section noted at Psalm 109:6):
"Satan regained rulership over the earth in Adam's day, usurping man's dominion by causing his fall. His relationship to man through the ages has been that of a usurper; and as long as man tolerates his dictatorship, that long will he remain subject to Satan. Each man can now, by the power of the gospel, defeat Satan and rid himself of all demon relationship. This is what God demands, and He has provided means whereby it can be attained."

"Satan's present position as ruler of this world's system and as the prince of this world will be ended forever when Christ comes, and man will again inherit the earth and live in it forever".

[Justaned]

Don’t be misled, my dear brothers. Every good gift, every perfect gift, comes from above. These gifts come down from the Father, the creator of the heavenly lights, in whose character there is no change at all. (James 1.16-17)

Dake comments: "Whatever is good comes from God who never changes; whatever is evil comes from Satan and fallen man, who are bent on doing whatever gains a selfish and sinful end".

Dake comments (from his section noted at Psalm 109:6):
"Satan regained rulership over the earth in Adam's day, usurping man's dominion by causing his fall. His relationship to man through the ages has been that of a usurper; and as long as man tolerates his dictatorship, that long will he remain subject to Satan. Each man can now, by the power of the gospel, defeat Satan and rid himself of all demon relationship. This is what God demands, and He has provided means whereby it can be attained."

"Satan's present position as ruler of this world's system and as the prince of this world will be ended forever when Christ comes, and man will again inherit the earth and live in it forever".

The problem is we don't always know what is good and what is a curse.

Somethings we think are good will take us from our dependance in God. And somethings we think are bad will actually make us rush to the throne of God.

So for us to judge God and what He gives us is like telling God how creation works.

[Justaned]

In a post above Titus 213 said everything that is good comes from God above.

I responded that we don't often know what is good and what is bad.

Example
Pentecostalism was birthed and grew among the those that were on the wrong side of the tracks so to speak. However as it became more more acceptable and moved into the up town churches we see a drastic change. Gone is the holiness, the long hours of prayer. In came the touchy feely warm fuzzies that tickled our ears.

Look where pentecostalism florishes today in second and third world countries where they have to depend on God.

We have people preaching and teaching how to get blessed in the church today but we have a whole book of scripture that shows when the people were blessed they turned from God and when oppression was upon them they turned back to God. That Book is Judges.

We don't know what is blessing and curses. We know what we like but what is best for us is things that make us grow in Christ and we never want any of those.

What do you think James was saying when he wrote James 1:2-4 (NKJV)
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.
4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

In effect he was saying we don't know what is good for us and what will harm us. Anything that makes us draw closer to God is a good thing, even trials.

Think about your own lives when were you closest to God? When you didn't have to worry about a thing or when things started to close in on you.

Now think about this does this seem counter to what the health wealth preachers say? Before you answer reread the Book of Judges.

[bibleman]

In a post above Titus 213 said everything that is good comes from God above.

I responded that we don't often know what is good and what is bad.

Example
Pentecostalism was birthed and grew among the those that were on the wrong side of the tracks so to speak. However as it became more more acceptable and moved into the up town churches we see a drastic change. Gone is the holiness, the long hours of prayer. In came the touchy feely warm fuzzies that tickled our ears.

Look where pentecostalism florishes today in second and third world countries where they have to depend on God.

We have people preaching and teaching how to get blessed in the church today but we have a whole book of scripture that shows when the people were blessed they turned from God and when oppression was upon them they turned back to God. That Book is Judges.

We don't know what is blessing and curses. We know what we like but what is best for us is things that make us grow in Christ and we never want any of those.

What do you think James was saying when he wrote James 1:2-4 (NKJV)
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.
4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

In effect he was saying we don't know what is good for us and what will harm us. Anything that makes us draw closer to God is a good thing, even trials.

Think about your own lives when were you closest to God? When you didn't have to worry about a thing or when things started to close in on you.

Now think about this does this seem counter to what the health wealth preachers say? Before you answer reread the Book of Judges.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "In effect he was saying we don't know what is good for us and what will harm us."

Do you yourself accept that you don't know what is good for you? Are you that clueless about life?

[titus213]

I wonder why James would warn us against being misled in this area, if it's not possible for us to know the difference between a good gift and one which isn't?