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Rocky wrote:
Justaned wrote: They think they must fight a fight they know nothing about and are powerless to move in the spiritual realm where Satan exists..

Not hiding you just earned a face palm.lol Now to get back on subject. Ed yes we can know the spiritual realm even paul said "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices

And we don't fight? Here is a little bit of bible about fighting:

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

For we wrestle(Fight) not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I don't know Ed sounds like fighting to me. :2gunfire: :snipersmile:
1 John 2:15-17 (NKJV)
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.

Now about your quote of Ephesians
Yes when people come against us we aren't fighting them we are fighting principalities, against power, against the rulers of the darkness of this work. And how do we fight? Not in ourselves but mighty through God. I think we both agree that is through prayer do we not? Now when we pray to we tell God to go over and kick down Satan's door or do we pray to God for His help?

Think about this. As a child at one time or another you were probably bullied. When did the bully come around you? When you were close to your parent or when you were by yourself? Yes when you were by yourself. That is why scripture tells us to stay close to God and not forsake assembling ourselves together with like minded Christians.
So the bully would never have a chance to bully us.
If you are in Christ's hands and Christ said every Christian is indeed in His hands how does Satan bully you?

But wait you say, I'm tempted to sin. Sure you are, we all are. But most of that temptation comes from within. Lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and pride of life. Satan may plant wacky ideas into our minds but if we push them out and leave little room for them by filling our mind with the word of God even here Satan fails.

Too many people to day supposedly in the name of Jesus talk people into taking their eyes off Jesus and focusing on what Satan may do to them. I say if we are in Christ and even if Satan had the power to kill us physically we lose nothing for this is not our home, heaven is. Jesus has assured us if our name is written in the Lamb's book of Life our home would be with Him in heaven. So what is there to fear?


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Justaned wrote:Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.
The battle with Satan and sin (the "born again" Christian does not have a "sin nature" though he still struggles with the flesh). The Bible refers to Satan as "the Tempter" and equates living in sin with being of Satan (1 John 3:8). Also compare Gen. 4:7 with 1 John 3:12.


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victoryword wrote:
Justaned wrote:Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.
The battle with Satan and sin (the "born again" Christian does not have a "sin nature" though he still struggles with the flesh). The Bible refers to Satan as "the Tempter" and equates living in sin with being of Satan (1 John 3:8). Also compare Gen. 4:7 with 1 John 3:12.
We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.
As for sin I agree I have already said over and over true Christians do not live in sin. If you aren't a Christian then you are a sinner and you are with Satan.


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IM watching a classic movie on TCM right now called "ELMER GANTRY" with the great Burt Lancaster.
you know REVED some things never change. :mrgreen:





victoryword wrote:
Justaned wrote:Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.
The battle with Satan and sin (the "born again" Christian does not have a "sin nature" though he still struggles with the flesh). The Bible refers to Satan as "the Tempter" and equates living in sin with being of Satan (1 John 3:8). Also compare Gen. 4:7 with 1 John 3:12.


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Justaned wrote:We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.
As for sin I agree I have already said over and over true Christians do not live in sin. If you aren't a Christian then you are a sinner and you are with Satan.
Ed, you said that you are called to strive against false teaching, but you keep teaching falsely. When you say that the born again Christian still has a "sin nature" (something the Bible does not teach) then you are saying that the redemptive work of Christ is incomplete. According to 1 Cor. 5:17 the Christian does not have a sin nature. He has a NEW NATURE!!!


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DAD HAGIN SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT IN THESE BODIES.JESUS WAS THE ONLY PERFECT ONE WHO EVER LIVED.AND THEY KILLED HIM.IF YOU GET PERFECT YOU WONT LAST LONG EITHER.
victoryword wrote:
Justaned wrote:We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.
As for sin I agree I have already said over and over true Christians do not live in sin. If you aren't a Christian then you are a sinner and you are with Satan.
Ed, you said that you are called to strive against false teaching, but you keep teaching falsely. When you say that the born again Christian still has a "sin nature" (something the Bible does not teach) then you are saying that the redemptive work of Christ is incomplete. According to 1 Cor. 5:17 the Christian does not have a sin nature. He has a NEW NATURE!!!


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Justaned wrote:
victoryword wrote:
Justaned wrote:Think about it Rocky what is our biggest battle. Satan? or our sin nature?
Paul often talked about fighting he often used the analogies about fighting. Saying to remain in Christ we must fight and fight and fight. He said press toward the mark, keep our eye on the goal. Yes life is a fight. But in a Christian it is a fight to keep our sin nature crucified to the cross of calvary.
The battle with Satan and sin (the "born again" Christian does not have a "sin nature" though he still struggles with the flesh). The Bible refers to Satan as "the Tempter" and equates living in sin with being of Satan (1 John 3:8). Also compare Gen. 4:7 with 1 John 3:12.
We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.
As for sin I agree I have already said over and over true Christians do not live in sin. If you aren't a Christian then you are a sinner and you are with Satan.
Hi Ed,

Above you said; " We have a sin nature that only leaves us when we get our purified bodies. We have a new nature that resists that sin nature but it is still there.

Dake says:
Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13. Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".
Ed, would you agree with Dake that your teaching on man still having a sin nature AFTER salvation "is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom " ?


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WHY IS IT THAT THOSE WHO DRILL THIS THING INTO PEOPLE ....IT DOES NOT WORK??!!!!

MY FRIENDS WHO ARE RHEMA MEN 2 FROM WARREN WHO WERE GOOD FRIENDS WITH DAD HAGIN AND 1 HERE WHO IS A RHEMA MAN SAY THIS IS THE CASE.IT JUST MESSES PEOPLE UP.....REAL BAD.

BROTHER COPELAND AND DAD HAGIN NEVER ONCE TAUGHT THAT STUFF.


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branham1965 wrote:WHY IS IT THAT THOSE WHO DRILL THIS THING INTO PEOPLE ....IT DOES NOT WORK??!!!!

MY FRIENDS WHO ARE RHEMA MEN 2 FROM WARREN WHO WERE GOOD FRIENDS WITH DAD HAGIN AND 1 HERE WHO IS A RHEMA MAN SAY THIS IS THE CASE.IT JUST MESSES PEOPLE UP.....REAL BAD.

BROTHER COPELAND AND DAD HAGIN NEVER ONCE TAUGHT THAT STUFF.
Hi Billy,

Well how about you?

Do you disagree with Dake on this too?

Dake says:
Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13. Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".


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That is the Weslyan Holiness teaching.

i do not agree with the good Reverend on that.


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