Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Rocky]

Rocky
Okay let us first tackle the respecter of persons issue. What is scripture saying when it says God is not repecter of persons? Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

So what scripture is actually saying is God does not just pick one nation, or one ethic group or even one person as far as spiritual truth is concerned. God will come to any that fear him and are righeousness.

The idea that what God gives to one person is given to everyone is nonsense. God gave the kingdom of Israel to David and his sons. None of us can claim that. God gave super strength to Samson but none of us have it.

The term has been misused by a group of preachers for years. Read the quoted scripture and see for yourself.

Now on to the seventy.

If you look on a time line when Jesus spoke this to the Seventy Luke 10:17-20 it was before the cross, it was a special situation because the Holy Spirit had not yet been give. He was sending unprotected and if you will innocent people into possible harms way without the Holy Spirit to guide them. Also His defeat of Satan had not yet occurred.

For these reasons you can not apply this verse to us today.

You said the Apostles bore the same anointing after the cross. In Luke 10:17-20 nothing could harm them. However we know that every Apostle with the exception of John was in fact put to death, many were whipped, mistreated, beaten and abused. So they didn't carry the same protection the 70 did. Look at the early church they were abused, tortured, raped, they watched their children being raped and brutalized before being killed, they themselves were dipped in animal fat and set afire all to entertain Rome. And it was their death not their power over evil that opened Romes eyes and made the Emperor of the day Christianity the state religion.

Does that mean we are defenseless today? NO Absolutely not. Jesus has since gone to the cross and He was given all authority by the Father, Jesus hold the keys of death and hell. Satan is restrained by that, being able to only what Jesus permits him to do. But we also have power, the power to resist Satan by drawing close to God. As we resist temptation Satan gets frustrated and leaves.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception. However that is about the limit of our power. Demons are another thing entirely and something best left for another topic.

Remember as long as we are under the blood Satan will not cross the blood line, he can not snatch us from the hand of God.

Now the reason so many are against me is because I'm dealing with deception that has been a part of the some theology for years. A theology that some say Dake had but I disagree with. As I read Dake's teachings I believe he fully understood his position in Christ in relation to Satan. A few say I'm wrong but that is okay, they cite all kinds of things but most of it is statements ripped from context and used in a way the original speaker never intended.

I'm glad you agree with my position on spiritual warfare and if you do and if you think it through you will see all of this fits.

As far as Satan doing bad things to us today. Satan can deceive us. Satan can tempt us, Satan bears false witness of us to the Lord. But we have the word that should prevent deception if we will read it and study it. We have the Holy Spirit and our new nature to help us resist temptation and we knew Jesus our intercessor is making intercession for us in Heaven.

But disease still comes, that is right we live in a sin tainted world, our cells have mutated due to chemicals and actions we have experienced, germs and viruses have turned deadly and effect us. We also refuse to deal many times with the lust of flesh, lust of our eyes, and pride of life. All of these will lead us into death both physical and spiritual.

When a child steps off a curb and gets hit and killed by a car it is very convenient to blame Satan but in fact many factors were probably involved. Lust of the flesh by the child to get across the street without looking, pride of life by the driver not paying attention and probably speeding. Possibly lust of the flesh and pride of life showing up as rebellion making the child disobey the admonishment of his parents, of his teacher that told him to look both ways.

Think about your own life you probably did something unthinking today that could have cost you, your life. Why because Satan blinded you? Easy and convenient to say and buy into but if you really think about it was your own self will that opened the door. Thankful our Lord pulls our fat from the fire many times.

As long as we live in this sin tainted world death, sickness, injury, and regret will effect us. That is truth. It did in the lives of the Apostles and it did in the lives of the early church, it did in the lives of the church of the middle ages and it does today. Only when we get to heaven will we be free of the curse that came from sin.

So what am I saying? Do we live in fear. No Absolutely not! Fear is not of the love. We have the greatest promise of the Bible. God said he would make all things work to our good if we loved Him and were serving as called to His service.

That one promise is very powerful and many want to downplay it. There are many reasons for wanting to downplay this because like Grace it is freely given, we just need to trust in God for it. Many want to show they deserve God's promise because of their mighty faith yet the word clearly states faith is a gift of God. And likewise the want to be able to blame any failure on someone's lack of faith.

Each day I place my trust in God and I know that no matter what occurs that day, God had my best interests first and foremost. My task is not to engage Satan in some fake combat but to rest in God, drawing close and seeking Him first over everything else. That my friend is the peace that passes all understanding. And until you have it you won't understand.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception

So I see you have changed you position a bit cool cool. Welcome to the winning side Ed Now you have authority over satan

[victoryword]

MAN..... WHY DONT YOU ALL LAY OFF REVED!!!!WHAT BECAUSE HIS VIEWS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT YOU ACT LIKE THAT TOWARDS HIM???? ITS NOT RIGHT.ITS BY THE GRACE OF GOD ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW.NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!
MALIGNING AND TEARING A BROTHER DOWN IS WRONG.REVED IS 70 YEARS OLD. MY GRANDFATHER US RANGER BATTALION 6 WW2 DECORATED BY GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR ...HE WAS 67 WHEN HE DIED.AND HE THUMPED ME I MEAN FISTS TO MY HEAD A FEW TIMES.HE WOULD HAVE KICKED MY FACE IN IF I TALKED TO MY ELDERS LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Billy, we're not picking on Ed. We're celebrating his finally believing what the Word says. Perhaps the next step will be for him to ACTUALLY read a Kenyon book. That way he can help you and Watchman to see that Kenyon was not what he has been accused of being.

[Watchman2013]

Here are some interesting facts, concerning E.W. Kenyon... From Wikipedia:"

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New Thought, sometimes known as Higher Thought,[1][2] promotes the ideas that Infinite Intelligence, or God, is everywhere, spirit is the totality of real things, true human selfhood is divine, divine thought is a force for good, sickness originates in the mind, and "right thinking" has a healing effect.[3][4]

Although New Thought is neither monolithic nor doctrinaire, in general, modern-day adherents of New Thought believe that "God" or "Infinite Intelligence" is "supreme, universal, and everlasting", that divinity dwells within each person, that all people are spiritual beings, that "the highest spiritual principle [is] loving one another unconditionally... and teaching and healing one another", and that "our mental states are carried forward into manifestation and become our experience in daily living".

The New Thought movement is a spiritually-focused or philosophical interpretation of New Thought beliefs. Started in the early 19th century, today the movement consists of a loosely allied group of religious denominations, secular membership organizations,[citation needed] authors, philosophers, and individuals who share a set of beliefs concerning metaphysics, positive thinking, the law of attraction, healing, life force, creative visualization, and personal power.[5] The three major religious denominations within the New Thought movement are Religious Science, Unity Church and the Church of Divine Science. There are many other smaller churches within the New Thought movement, as well as schools and umbrella organizations.
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The highlights and emphasis are mine.

Notice, it says that, " true human selfhood is divine, divine thought is a force for good, sickness originates in the mind, and "right thinking" has a healing effect.[3][4]" Human selfhood is divine? Divine thought is a force for good? Sickness originates in the mind? Right thinking has a healing effect?

Where in The Bible does it say theses things? Where are God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit in this? Without God, in all three Persons, there is nothing divine. Nothing. Period.

So, how does Kenyon come up with this?

Don't chew on me, prove your beliefs, or Kenyon's.

Me, I only believe The Word of God. Period.

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Justaned]

Excerpts from http://www.francesandfriends.com/power- ... d-part-iv/

The Power of the Spoken Word: Biblical or Occult Law? (Part IV)
By: Frances Swaggart
As a young preacher, John Kennington (Pastor of Emmanuel Temple in Portland, Oregon) knew E.W. Kenyon and even considered Kenyon his mentor. Kennington wrote, “One of the things that puzzled me in those days was the similarity between what he [Kenyon] taught and what was taught in Christian Science. We discussed the similarity at that time. And he acknowledged the similarity. I can remember him saying, ‘All that Christian Science lacks is the blood of Jesus Christ.’ . . . ...

... Kennington concludes that Kenyon’s theology, and that of the modern Faith movement, is nothing more than a ‘Pentecostal Christian Science.’ ”

Ern Baxter, another of Kenyon’s colleagues, was alerted to the fact that “. . . he [Kenyon] probably wasn’t formulating his faith positions entirely from sola Scriptura, and that he was influenced by the metaphysicians.” In Baxter’s opinion, this metaphysical background controlled the way Kenyon interpreted the Bible...

...Actually, the philosophical roots of “New Thought,” and thus, the roots of the “Word of Faith” movement as well, are found deep within ancient Gnosticism. Gnostic philosophy has existed for at least 2,000 years. In fact, it is the very philosophy which threatened to destroy the early Church in its day, probably reaching its height in about the Second Century...

...Dr. Norman Geisler states that “In metaphysics dualism is the belief that there are two coeternal principles in conflict with each other.”...

...Upon leaving Emerson, Kenyon began engaging in evangelistic tours, as well as continuing his previously established Bethel Bible Institute. It was at this period in his life that Kenyon developed his cultic theology. Kenyon “Christianized” the Gnostic/metaphysical principle of dualistic knowledge. Kenyon believed that there were two kinds of knowledge: sense knowledge and revelation knowledge...

...Another distinct idea is Kenyon’s teaching on Christ’s rebirth. According to Kenyon, “If Christ’s physical death paid it, then every man could die for himself. Sin is in the spirit realm. His physical death was but a means to an end.”15 Kenyon teaches that after this purely practical, physical death, Christ died spiritually and descended into Hell16 and, staying true to his role as the real father of “Faith Theology,” claimed that “Jesus was born again before he was raised from the dead.”17 All of this is complete blasphemy! It was absolutely Christ’s physical death that atoned for the sins of man! No other could have died in our place because Christ’s Blood was the only Blood not tainted with sin, and Jesus never had to be Born-Again because He was completely without sin!...

...Kenyon, like Quimby and Mary Baker Eddy, taught that our words activate an impersonal, universal force. He believed that “our confession rules us,” and because of this, it could be stated that, “what I confess I posses.”...

[Justaned]

Rocky
Okay let us first tackle the respecter of persons issue. What is scripture saying when it says God is not repecter of persons? Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

So what scripture is actually saying is God does not just pick one nation, or one ethic group or even one person as far as spiritual truth is concerned. God will come to any that fear him and are righeousness.

The idea that what God gives to one person is given to everyone is nonsense. God gave the kingdom of Israel to David and his sons. None of us can claim that. God gave super strength to Samson but none of us have it.

The term has been misused by a group of preachers for years. Read the quoted scripture and see for yourself.

Now on to the seventy.

If you look on a time line when Jesus spoke this to the Seventy Luke 10:17-20 it was before the cross, it was a special situation because the Holy Spirit had not yet been give. He was sending unprotected and if you will innocent people into possible harms way without the Holy Spirit to guide them. Also His defeat of Satan had not yet occurred.

For these reasons you can not apply this verse to us today.

You said the Apostles bore the same anointing after the cross. In Luke 10:17-20 nothing could harm them. However we know that every Apostle with the exception of John was in fact put to death, many were whipped, mistreated, beaten and abused. So they didn't carry the same protection the 70 did. Look at the early church they were abused, tortured, raped, they watched their children being raped and brutalized before being killed, they themselves were dipped in animal fat and set afire all to entertain Rome. And it was their death not their power over evil that opened Romes eyes and made the Emperor of the day Christianity the state religion.

Does that mean we are defenseless today? NO Absolutely not. Jesus has since gone to the cross and He was given all authority by the Father, Jesus hold the keys of death and hell. Satan is restrained by that, being able to only what Jesus permits him to do. But we also have power, the power to resist Satan by drawing close to God. As we resist temptation Satan gets frustrated and leaves.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception. However that is about the limit of our power. Demons are another thing entirely and something best left for another topic.

Remember as long as we are under the blood Satan will not cross the blood line, he can not snatch us from the hand of God.

Now the reason so many are against me is because I'm dealing with deception that has been a part of the some theology for years. A theology that some say Dake had but I disagree with. As I read Dake's teachings I believe he fully understood his position in Christ in relation to Satan. A few say I'm wrong but that is okay, they cite all kinds of things but most of it is statements ripped from context and used in a way the original speaker never intended.

I'm glad you agree with my position on spiritual warfare and if you do and if you think it through you will see all of this fits.

As far as Satan doing bad things to us today. Satan can deceive us. Satan can tempt us, Satan bears false witness of us to the Lord. But we have the word that should prevent deception if we will read it and study it. We have the Holy Spirit and our new nature to help us resist temptation and we knew Jesus our intercessor is making intercession for us in Heaven.

But disease still comes, that is right we live in a sin tainted world, our cells have mutated due to chemicals and actions we have experienced, germs and viruses have turned deadly and effect us. We also refuse to deal many times with the lust of flesh, lust of our eyes, and pride of life. All of these will lead us into death both physical and spiritual.

When a child steps off a curb and gets hit and killed by a car it is very convenient to blame Satan but in fact many factors were probably involved. Lust of the flesh by the child to get across the street without looking, pride of life by the driver not paying attention and probably speeding. Possibly lust of the flesh and pride of life showing up as rebellion making the child disobey the admonishment of his parents, of his teacher that told him to look both ways.

Think about your own life you probably did something unthinking today that could have cost you, your life. Why because Satan blinded you? Easy and convenient to say and buy into but if you really think about it was your own self will that opened the door. Thankful our Lord pulls our fat from the fire many times.

As long as we live in this sin tainted world death, sickness, injury, and regret will effect us. That is truth. It did in the lives of the Apostles and it did in the lives of the early church, it did in the lives of the church of the middle ages and it does today. Only when we get to heaven will we be free of the curse that came from sin.

So what am I saying? Do we live in fear. No Absolutely not! Fear is not of the love. We have the greatest promise of the Bible. God said he would make all things work to our good if we loved Him and were serving as called to His service.

That one promise is very powerful and many want to downplay it. There are many reasons for wanting to downplay this because like Grace it is freely given, we just need to trust in God for it. Many want to show they deserve God's promise because of their mighty faith yet the word clearly states faith is a gift of God. And likewise the want to be able to blame any failure on someone's lack of faith.

Each day I place my trust in God and I know that no matter what occurs that day, God had my best interests first and foremost. My task is not to engage Satan in some fake combat but to rest in God, drawing close and seeking Him first over everything else. That my friend is the peace that passes all understanding. And until you have it you won't understand.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception

So I see you have changed you position a bit cool cool. Welcome to the winning side Ed Now you have authority over satan

No I have your definition of authority over Satan. The problem is I would guess there are at least 3 other definitions of authority that will differ from yours. Oh everyone will say not so but it is so. Also while it is my position it is certainly not my definition of authority.

And in case you need reminded that has been my position since the start of the thread. I may have gone unnoticed but it never changed.

[branham1965]

THAT FUNNY FACE DOES NOT EXPUNGE YOU PREACHER.
GOD SEES IT ALL.YOU ME EVERYONE.AND HE KNOWS THE HEARTS HERE.

MAN..... WHY DONT YOU ALL LAY OFF REVED!!!!WHAT BECAUSE HIS VIEWS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT YOU ACT LIKE THAT TOWARDS HIM???? ITS NOT RIGHT.ITS BY THE GRACE OF GOD ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW.NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!
MALIGNING AND TEARING A BROTHER DOWN IS WRONG.REVED IS 70 YEARS OLD. MY GRANDFATHER US RANGER BATTALION 6 WW2 DECORATED BY GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR ...HE WAS 67 WHEN HE DIED.AND HE THUMPED ME I MEAN FISTS TO MY HEAD A FEW TIMES.HE WOULD HAVE KICKED MY FACE IN IF I TALKED TO MY ELDERS LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Billy, we're not picking on Ed. We're celebrating his finally believing what the Word says. Perhaps the next step will be for him to ACTUALLY read a Kenyon book. That way he can help you and Watchman to see that Kenyon was not what he has been accused of being.

[branham1965]

yes i agree with REVED.

im just sticking up for my friend.he is a senior citizen.if folks here or anywhere were ganging upon you Reverend id do the same thing.i would.

Billy,

Could you please answer my question?

Do you agree with REVED that the Believer does NOT have power over the devil?

[branham1965]

IM WITH YOU REVED.I AGREE WITH YOU.
THESE FELLERS DISDAIN THE CROSS BECAUSE OF DR.KENYON.HE WROTE SOME FINE THINGS.EVEN ONENESS FOLKS USE HIS BOOK ON THE NAME OF JESUS.BUT WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE CROSS TO THE THRONE IS FALSE DOCTRINE.REVEREND DAKE BELIEVED IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ANSWER ME THAT GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE SAID THAT WAS WRONG!!!!!!TO BELIEVE JESUS WAS DRUG INTO HELL TORTURED THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS AND THEN RELEASED.RUBBISH.
THATS FALSE DOCTRINE.GOOD MEN HAVE PREACHED IT.BUT ITS WRONG.
AND THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR POSITION ON AUTHORITY OVER THE DEVIL?????
I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO PICK ON SOMEBODY.HIGH SCHOOL 101.
LET THEM PICK ON BROTHER WATCHMEN A SPECIAL FORCES SHADOW WARRIOR SOLDIER .
AS I SAID MY FAULTS ARE OPEN HERE.PICK ON ME.

Rocky
Okay let us first tackle the respecter of persons issue. What is scripture saying when it says God is not repecter of persons? Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

So what scripture is actually saying is God does not just pick one nation, or one ethic group or even one person as far as spiritual truth is concerned. God will come to any that fear him and are righeousness.

The idea that what God gives to one person is given to everyone is nonsense. God gave the kingdom of Israel to David and his sons. None of us can claim that. God gave super strength to Samson but none of us have it.

The term has been misused by a group of preachers for years. Read the quoted scripture and see for yourself.

Now on to the seventy.

If you look on a time line when Jesus spoke this to the Seventy Luke 10:17-20 it was before the cross, it was a special situation because the Holy Spirit had not yet been give. He was sending unprotected and if you will innocent people into possible harms way without the Holy Spirit to guide them. Also His defeat of Satan had not yet occurred.

For these reasons you can not apply this verse to us today.

You said the Apostles bore the same anointing after the cross. In Luke 10:17-20 nothing could harm them. However we know that every Apostle with the exception of John was in fact put to death, many were whipped, mistreated, beaten and abused. So they didn't carry the same protection the 70 did. Look at the early church they were abused, tortured, raped, they watched their children being raped and brutalized before being killed, they themselves were dipped in animal fat and set afire all to entertain Rome. And it was their death not their power over evil that opened Romes eyes and made the Emperor of the day Christianity the state religion.

Does that mean we are defenseless today? NO Absolutely not. Jesus has since gone to the cross and He was given all authority by the Father, Jesus hold the keys of death and hell. Satan is restrained by that, being able to only what Jesus permits him to do. But we also have power, the power to resist Satan by drawing close to God. As we resist temptation Satan gets frustrated and leaves.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception. However that is about the limit of our power. Demons are another thing entirely and something best left for another topic.

Remember as long as we are under the blood Satan will not cross the blood line, he can not snatch us from the hand of God.

Now the reason so many are against me is because I'm dealing with deception that has been a part of the some theology for years. A theology that some say Dake had but I disagree with. As I read Dake's teachings I believe he fully understood his position in Christ in relation to Satan. A few say I'm wrong but that is okay, they cite all kinds of things but most of it is statements ripped from context and used in a way the original speaker never intended.

I'm glad you agree with my position on spiritual warfare and if you do and if you think it through you will see all of this fits.

As far as Satan doing bad things to us today. Satan can deceive us. Satan can tempt us, Satan bears false witness of us to the Lord. But we have the word that should prevent deception if we will read it and study it. We have the Holy Spirit and our new nature to help us resist temptation and we knew Jesus our intercessor is making intercession for us in Heaven.

But disease still comes, that is right we live in a sin tainted world, our cells have mutated due to chemicals and actions we have experienced, germs and viruses have turned deadly and effect us. We also refuse to deal many times with the lust of flesh, lust of our eyes, and pride of life. All of these will lead us into death both physical and spiritual.

When a child steps off a curb and gets hit and killed by a car it is very convenient to blame Satan but in fact many factors were probably involved. Lust of the flesh by the child to get across the street without looking, pride of life by the driver not paying attention and probably speeding. Possibly lust of the flesh and pride of life showing up as rebellion making the child disobey the admonishment of his parents, of his teacher that told him to look both ways.

Think about your own life you probably did something unthinking today that could have cost you, your life. Why because Satan blinded you? Easy and convenient to say and buy into but if you really think about it was your own self will that opened the door. Thankful our Lord pulls our fat from the fire many times.

As long as we live in this sin tainted world death, sickness, injury, and regret will effect us. That is truth. It did in the lives of the Apostles and it did in the lives of the early church, it did in the lives of the church of the middle ages and it does today. Only when we get to heaven will we be free of the curse that came from sin.

So what am I saying? Do we live in fear. No Absolutely not! Fear is not of the love. We have the greatest promise of the Bible. God said he would make all things work to our good if we loved Him and were serving as called to His service.

That one promise is very powerful and many want to downplay it. There are many reasons for wanting to downplay this because like Grace it is freely given, we just need to trust in God for it. Many want to show they deserve God's promise because of their mighty faith yet the word clearly states faith is a gift of God. And likewise the want to be able to blame any failure on someone's lack of faith.

Each day I place my trust in God and I know that no matter what occurs that day, God had my best interests first and foremost. My task is not to engage Satan in some fake combat but to rest in God, drawing close and seeking Him first over everything else. That my friend is the peace that passes all understanding. And until you have it you won't understand.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception

So I see you have changed you position a bit cool cool. Welcome to the winning side Ed Now you have authority over satan

No I have your definition of authority over Satan. The problem is I would guess there are at least 3 other definitions of authority that will differ from yours. Oh everyone will say not so but it is so. Also while it is my position it is certainly not my definition of authority.

And in case you need reminded that has been my position since the start of the thread. I may have gone unnoticed but it never changed.

[branham1965]

YOU CANT FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO HAVE DIVERSITY IN CHRIST WITH REVED.HE DIDNT TREAT YOU THAT WAY WHEN YOU CAME OUT AS A GOTH CHRISTIAN.
I ACCEPT YOU.I DONT UNDER STAND SOME THINGS BUT TOUGH.

I have a question Why is it when someone shows Ed plain scripture he totally dismisses it? Eddy, maybe you can answer why you do that. Like if plain versus contradict your counter point than you explain it in a way that fits your point.
Here is like a summary example:
Me: Ed we have power and authority over the Devil
Ed: No we don't.
Me: Ed Jesus said we do. (Inserts Jesus quotes here)
Ed: He did not really mean that.
Me: Ed, but its in the bible.(Inserts multiple scriptures here)
Ed: well that was only for those people.
Me: God is no respecter of persons(inserts more scripture for verification)
Ed: Did that really mean that?(inserts counter scriptures that is kind of off subject or to use as counterpoints that has nothing to do with thread or subject matter and general flow of the discussion. Or they contradict previous scriptures which shows understanding of those scriptures are wrong)
Me: Ed, that doesn't make any sense, that sounds crazy.
Ed: Why are you attacking me. Does a born again Christian act like that. We have authority through Jesus by the way.
Me: but you just said we don't
Ed: Well we don't but we do through Jesus
Me: Ed that is double talking. That's what I have been saying
Ed: your problem not mine.
Me:

[branham1965]

the classic book biblical demonology by merrill f. unger is for sale at ministry helps.

Rocky
Okay let us first tackle the respecter of persons issue. What is scripture saying when it says God is not repecter of persons? Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

So what scripture is actually saying is God does not just pick one nation, or one ethic group or even one person as far as spiritual truth is concerned. God will come to any that fear him and are righeousness.

The idea that what God gives to one person is given to everyone is nonsense. God gave the kingdom of Israel to David and his sons. None of us can claim that. God gave super strength to Samson but none of us have it.

The term has been misused by a group of preachers for years. Read the quoted scripture and see for yourself.

Now on to the seventy.

If you look on a time line when Jesus spoke this to the Seventy Luke 10:17-20 it was before the cross, it was a special situation because the Holy Spirit had not yet been give. He was sending unprotected and if you will innocent people into possible harms way without the Holy Spirit to guide them. Also His defeat of Satan had not yet occurred.

For these reasons you can not apply this verse to us today.

You said the Apostles bore the same anointing after the cross. In Luke 10:17-20 nothing could harm them. However we know that every Apostle with the exception of John was in fact put to death, many were whipped, mistreated, beaten and abused. So they didn't carry the same protection the 70 did. Look at the early church they were abused, tortured, raped, they watched their children being raped and brutalized before being killed, they themselves were dipped in animal fat and set afire all to entertain Rome. And it was their death not their power over evil that opened Romes eyes and made the Emperor of the day Christianity the state religion.

Does that mean we are defenseless today? NO Absolutely not. Jesus has since gone to the cross and He was given all authority by the Father, Jesus hold the keys of death and hell. Satan is restrained by that, being able to only what Jesus permits him to do. But we also have power, the power to resist Satan by drawing close to God. As we resist temptation Satan gets frustrated and leaves.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception. However that is about the limit of our power. Demons are another thing entirely and something best left for another topic.

Remember as long as we are under the blood Satan will not cross the blood line, he can not snatch us from the hand of God.

Now the reason so many are against me is because I'm dealing with deception that has been a part of the some theology for years. A theology that some say Dake had but I disagree with. As I read Dake's teachings I believe he fully understood his position in Christ in relation to Satan. A few say I'm wrong but that is okay, they cite all kinds of things but most of it is statements ripped from context and used in a way the original speaker never intended.

I'm glad you agree with my position on spiritual warfare and if you do and if you think it through you will see all of this fits.

As far as Satan doing bad things to us today. Satan can deceive us. Satan can tempt us, Satan bears false witness of us to the Lord. But we have the word that should prevent deception if we will read it and study it. We have the Holy Spirit and our new nature to help us resist temptation and we knew Jesus our intercessor is making intercession for us in Heaven.

But disease still comes, that is right we live in a sin tainted world, our cells have mutated due to chemicals and actions we have experienced, germs and viruses have turned deadly and effect us. We also refuse to deal many times with the lust of flesh, lust of our eyes, and pride of life. All of these will lead us into death both physical and spiritual.

When a child steps off a curb and gets hit and killed by a car it is very convenient to blame Satan but in fact many factors were probably involved. Lust of the flesh by the child to get across the street without looking, pride of life by the driver not paying attention and probably speeding. Possibly lust of the flesh and pride of life showing up as rebellion making the child disobey the admonishment of his parents, of his teacher that told him to look both ways.

Think about your own life you probably did something unthinking today that could have cost you, your life. Why because Satan blinded you? Easy and convenient to say and buy into but if you really think about it was your own self will that opened the door. Thankful our Lord pulls our fat from the fire many times.

As long as we live in this sin tainted world death, sickness, injury, and regret will effect us. That is truth. It did in the lives of the Apostles and it did in the lives of the early church, it did in the lives of the church of the middle ages and it does today. Only when we get to heaven will we be free of the curse that came from sin.

So what am I saying? Do we live in fear. No Absolutely not! Fear is not of the love. We have the greatest promise of the Bible. God said he would make all things work to our good if we loved Him and were serving as called to His service.

That one promise is very powerful and many want to downplay it. There are many reasons for wanting to downplay this because like Grace it is freely given, we just need to trust in God for it. Many want to show they deserve God's promise because of their mighty faith yet the word clearly states faith is a gift of God. And likewise the want to be able to blame any failure on someone's lack of faith.

Each day I place my trust in God and I know that no matter what occurs that day, God had my best interests first and foremost. My task is not to engage Satan in some fake combat but to rest in God, drawing close and seeking Him first over everything else. That my friend is the peace that passes all understanding. And until you have it you won't understand.

We also have the power to rebuke Satan in name of the Lord, that means we can set him straight when he tries to confuse us by miss quoting scripture and deception

So I see you have changed you position a bit cool cool. Welcome to the winning side Ed Now you have authority over satan

No I have your definition of authority over Satan. The problem is I would guess there are at least 3 other definitions of authority that will differ from yours. Oh everyone will say not so but it is so. Also while it is my position it is certainly not my definition of authority.

And in case you need reminded that has been my position since the start of the thread. I may have gone unnoticed but it never changed.