Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Justaned]

That is not true. For example, this quote on faith has no metaphysical or heretical elements whatsoever in it:

• “Believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them” (Mark 11:24). This sounds strange, but it is true. It is according to the philosophy of faith. Say, by realizing faith, “this promise is mine,” and straight away it is yours. It is by faith that we receive promises and not by sight and sense.

That does that have to do with knowing the definition of Metaphysical? As I said before I do not believe you know what Metaphysical is so how can you say Kenyon wasn't teaching it? Because some book writer said so?

[victoryword]

That is not true. For example, this quote on faith has no metaphysical or heretical elements whatsoever in it:

• “Believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them” (Mark 11:24). This sounds strange, but it is true. It is according to the philosophy of faith. Say, by realizing faith, “this promise is mine,” and straight away it is yours. It is by faith that we receive promises and not by sight and sense.

That does that have to do with knowing the definition of Metaphysical? As I said before I do not believe you know what Metaphysical is so how can you say Kenyon wasn't teaching it? Because some book writer said so?

Does the quote appear metaphysical to you?

[Justaned]

That is not true. For example, this quote on faith has no metaphysical or heretical elements whatsoever in it:

• “Believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them” (Mark 11:24). This sounds strange, but it is true. It is according to the philosophy of faith. Say, by realizing faith, “this promise is mine,” and straight away it is yours. It is by faith that we receive promises and not by sight and sense.

That does that have to do with knowing the definition of Metaphysical? As I said before I do not believe you know what Metaphysical is so how can you say Kenyon wasn't teaching it? Because some book writer said so?

Does the quote appear metaphysical to you?

Are you serious? You produce one quote and you think that proves or disproves someone is teaching Metaphysics?
No the quote is not correct faith is not a philosophy faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
We don't realize faith, faith is a gift from God. We receive from God not because we claim things but because we trust God when God says they are ours. Abraham didn't go to the promise land and claim it. Abraham went to the promise land trusting God would do what God said He would do. Big difference. When God said the promise land was Abraham's at that moment it became Abraham's, Abraham didn't have to do anything except accept the gift God promised.
This is where you guys get all tangled up. You want to make it all about you, when it is all about God. We either trust God or we don't. The amount of faith we have does not motivate God, it only allows us to trust in God.

[branham1965]

to deny that Kenyon a man who says the Cross was a place of defeat we should run fromT HAT RIGHT THERE SHOWS HES OF THE DEVIL!!!!!

he said that one could learn much from Mary Baker Eddy's book Science and health with keys to the scriptures,who indeniably studied and was influenced by these mind science religions.only a person whose mind is closed who deny it.in fact he once embraced some teachings of Pastor Russell.(imho)
he never ever once recieved the Pentecostal Baptism and i could go on.IM AFRAID ITS YOU WHO ARE IN DENIAL.
AND ARE MISTAKEN.

That is not true. For example, this quote on faith has no metaphysical or heretical elements whatsoever in it:

• “Believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them” (Mark 11:24). This sounds strange, but it is true. It is according to the philosophy of faith. Say, by realizing faith, “this promise is mine,” and straight away it is yours. It is by faith that we receive promises and not by sight and sense.

That does that have to do with knowing the definition of Metaphysical? As I said before I do not believe you know what Metaphysical is so how can you say Kenyon wasn't teaching it? Because some book writer said so?

Does the quote appear metaphysical to you?

[cpbeller]

then you need to also throw away Kenneth Hagin...because he also said pretty much the same thing. (in fact, Hagin has been accused of plagiarising Kenyon as their writings were so incredibly similar).

Here is Hagin's qoute:

"The trouble with us is that we've preached a 'cross' religion, and we need to preach a 'throne' religion. By that I mean that people have thought they were supposed to remain at the cross. Some have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have backed up to the cross, and have stayed there ever since...The cross is actually a place of defeat, whereas the Resurrection is a place of triumph. When you preach the cross, you're preaching death, and you leave people in death." (Ken Hagin, "The Believer's Authority," page 16. Second Edition 1986)

So, lets toss Hagin into the trash heap also...if you are going to do that to Kenyon, you need to do that to Hagin.

[Rocky]

Uhumm to get back on subject here

All knowing Ed wrote :
Where does scripture say we have authority over Satan

All knowing Jesus Said:
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Now here is what tread means in the greek, the Word is is pateō :.To tread under foot, trample on, i.e. to treat with insult and contempt, To encounter successfully the greatest perils from the machinations, to trample, crush with the feet.

So who is right, Jesus or Ed?

[bibleman]

Uhumm to get back on subject here

All knowing Ed wrote :Where does scripture say we have authority over Satan

All knowing Jesus Said: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Who is right Jesus or Ed?

You know Rocky,

Sorry Ed, but I think I am going to agree with Jesus!

Ed, why not give up your doubts, fears, and liberal leanings and come on into the things of God with ALL of what Jesus died for you to have. VICTORY over the devil!

[victoryword]

Uhumm to get back on subject here

All knowing Ed wrote :Where does scripture say we have authority over Satan

All knowing Jesus Said: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Who is right Jesus or Ed?

You know Rocky,

Sorry Ed, but I think I am going to agree with Jesus!

Ed, why not give up your doubts, fears, and liberal leanings and come on into the things of God with ALL of what Jesus died for you to have. VICTORY over the devil!

Me too

[victoryword]

then you need to also throw away Kenneth Hagin...because he also said pretty much the same thing. (in fact, Hagin has been accused of plagiarising Kenyon as their writings were so incredibly similar).

Here is Hagin's qoute:

"The trouble with us is that we've preached a 'cross' religion, and we need to preach a 'throne' religion. By that I mean that people have thought they were supposed to remain at the cross. Some have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have backed up to the cross, and have stayed there ever since...The cross is actually a place of defeat, whereas the Resurrection is a place of triumph. When you preach the cross, you're preaching death, and you leave people in death." (Ken Hagin, "The Believer's Authority," page 16. Second Edition 1986)

So, lets toss Hagin into the trash heap also...if you are going to do that to Kenyon, you need to do that to Hagin.

Amen!

[Justaned]

Uhumm to get back on subject here

All knowing Ed wrote :Where does scripture say we have authority over Satan

All knowing Jesus Said: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Who is right Jesus or Ed?

You know Rocky,

Sorry Ed, but I think I am going to agree with Jesus!

Ed, why not give up your doubts, fears, and liberal leanings and come on into the things of God with ALL of what Jesus died for you to have. VICTORY over the devil!

Luke 10:17-20 (NKJV)
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven."

To whom was this said? To all believers or just the 70?
Besides according to you in earlier posts, Jesus didn't have any authority over Satan at this time which was before Jesus tricked Satan into crucifying him on the cross and then going to hell to wrestle and win His authority from Satan. t
That has been your claim in threads past.

Jesus said said this long before the cross which proves that even then He had authority over Satan, enough to prevent Satan from Crucifying Him. However you all have argued over and over that God lost his power over Satan through Adam and Eve's fall and had to trick Satan into crucifying an innocent man to gain it back. That is your nonsense not mine)

Now you want to say oh no Jesus had the power to give authority to the disciples and that some how pertains to us also. How quickly you must change horse mid stream to make your convoluted theology work.

Fact
Jesus always had authority over Satan.
Fact
Jesus gave the 70 disciples authority over Satan for a season.
Fact
That authority did not shift to us. Nor did it continue with the disciples.
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Satan managed to have each one of the disciples (who according to you) had authority over him, killed.
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Jesus was given all authority. Scripture never says, suggests or hints that we have that authority and none of us do.
None of us can order Satan to appear before us and give an accounting.
Fact
I we are in Christ Jesus we do not have to fear Satan because Jesus defeated him on the cross, not after but on the cross by being the perfect sacrifice for our sin.
Fact
If we are under the blood of Jesus, Satan can not and will not cross that line.
Fact
It is total and absolute nonsense to say we have authority over Satan. We don't
We can resist him, we can rebuke him in Jesus' name but that is as far as our power goes.
Fact
True Christians do have power to cast out demons, but not many so call Christians walk close enough to God to actually cast out demons. Most are even weaker than the Son of Sceva and the demons don't even bother to even respond to them.
Fact
Most so called "spiritual warfare" that occurs today is directly condemned in Jude 1:8-9 (NKJV)
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

and in

2 Peter 2:10-13 (NKJV)
10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,
11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you,

Bibleman I do not walk in fear because fear is not of the Lord. I walk trusting in God and His promise to make all things, even the things I don't want or like, work to my good. Because I love God and I am called to His purpose.