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[Justaned]

This thread is also getting so stupid I can't in good conscience take it serious any longer.

[Rocky]

This thread is also getting so stupid I can't in good conscience take it serious any longer.

Ed that went by by along time ago lol

[Justaned]

Rocky Reuben
If we go to a Catholic church and find 1000 adherents to the Catholicism do you both believe all of them are unsaved?

If not what percentage do you think are saved?

[Reuben]

We can play hypotheticals all day long and get no where. This much is biblically true regardless of any religion. If a person does not believe exclusively in Jesus Christ for their salvation alone, and it is not reflected in a changed lifestyle, they are not saved. If I believe in Jesus but simultaneously I included the arm of flesh revealed in regimens, rudiments, routines, ascetics, and etc, as a necessary part of my salvation then I am trusting in something else besides Jesus to get me to Heaven. That was the Galatian problem Paul dealt with and he said they needed reborn in the faith. Now, I understand, that the Galatians didn't start that way but nonetheless when they fell into the same things as we have been talking about - they were once again in need of a re-birthing. I didn't say it - Paul said - the Holy Spirit said it.

[Reuben]

If I walked up to a priest and I say to him "I believe that I am justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone" what would his response be?

[Justaned]

If I walked up to a priest and I say to him "I believe that I am justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone" what would his response be?

I don't know and neither do you until you do it. How about letting us know what you find out.
Thanks I am real interested in learning what happens when you do that.

To make it an accurate test you probably need to ask more than one. We both know if you only ask one, one of us is going to question the results. I would say fair test is to survey all the Catholic priests in the town you live, better yet a state wide survey would be good.

Hey I have an idea why not go to the top guy, zip off a brief survey to the Pope and let us know how he answers.

[Rocky]

Rocky Reuben
If we go to a Catholic church and find 1000 adherents to the Catholicism do you both believe all of them are unsaved?

If not what percentage do you think are saved?

I don't know. And actually that is a good question. For one Catholics do not use the term "saved" or "unsaved". The definition of those terms are completely different than how we would define it. Ed despite what are defending here you believe the same that we do about this, Because you are a protestant and a product of Martin Luther just as much as we are. let me explain. You believe that we are saved by grace through faith right. This is not the case with Catholics, you must have faith with the sacraments specifically baptism and reconciliation in order to be justified, but even his gets complicated, also indulgences and purgatory plays apart in this as well. Bottom line Catholicism is a whole nother religion then what we are. With in Catholicism there is no saved and unsaved, it is not cut and dry like that. The justification process is completely different. Ask any catholic What must I do to be saved you will be told the gospel How ever then you will have to go through RCIA and the sacraments, because the church teaches no salvation outside of the Catholic church. Oh by the way I am actually talking to my father while I typed this and a lot o this is his input by the way, not my perspective or my bias opinion. I tried to be as unbias as possible...