Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does a Christian have two natures??

[Justaned]

not trying to cause a row.nor justify anything.

im wondering what folks thinks.

i reckon the pet answer that will come.

but i mean what do folks here really think???????


FOR EXAMPLE if one is a Christian and sees a beautiful woman what is that that draws one to look more than once???
IF one sees someone harming ones loved one what is that urge to retaliate and defend her?????
IF one has troubles with temper,thought life,bad habits,cussing,mental issues,worry any 101 things that seem to trouble believers.
if that nature is gone and dead why the problems??????????

Dad Hagin said he had to fight his flesh like anyone else.his biggest trouble once in his walk with God he said was ....worry.
he also said from a divine Visitation of Jesus God will judge believers quicker on spiritual sins than physical sins.that shocked me.
James 1:14 if men have no sin nature as has been taught by Wesley which in turn became holiness doctrine and Pentecostal doctrine.

im shooting from the hip.

i hope it ...

Billy
In effect we do have two natures. One our flesh is self centered and wants only to indulge itself. The other our spiritual nature once we are saved wants to serve God in obedience and faithfulness. We have a constant conflict which requires us to crucify the flesh.

Hi Ed,

Where do you get that we humans have TWO natures?

Inbred sin or “the old man” is the spirit and nature of the devil working in men of disobedience. The “old man” is the opposite of righteousness or “the new man” which is the Spirit and nature of God working in men of obedience (Eph. 2:1-3; 4:22-24). The “old man” then is not some part of the body, soul, or spirit of man, but is the spirit and nature of the devil working in man the lusts of sin. The “old man” could be spelled D–E–V–I–L or S–A–T–A–N, and this will express the truth about inbred sin as taught in Scripture. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 51.

Why do you think you have more? I don't think that is natures Leon I think that multiple personalities.

[branham1965]

not trying to cause a row.nor justify anything.

im wondering what folks thinks.

i reckon the pet answer that will come.

but i mean what do folks here really think???????


FOR EXAMPLE if one is a Christian and sees a beautiful woman what is that that draws one to look more than once???
IF one sees someone harming ones loved one what is that urge to retaliate and defend her?????
IF one has troubles with temper,thought life,bad habits,cussing,mental issues,worry any 101 things that seem to trouble believers.
if that nature is gone and dead why the problems??????????

Dad Hagin said he had to fight his flesh like anyone else.his biggest trouble once in his walk with God he said was ....worry.
he also said from a divine Visitation of Jesus God will judge believers quicker on spiritual sins than physical sins.that shocked me.
James 1:14 if men have no sin nature as has been taught by Wesley which in turn became holiness doctrine and Pentecostal doctrine.

im shooting from the hip.

i hope it ...

Billy
In effect we do have two natures. One our flesh is self centered and wants only to indulge itself. The other our spiritual nature once we are saved wants to serve God in obedience and faithfulness. We have a constant conflict which requires us to crucify the flesh.

Hi Ed,

Where do you get that we humans have TWO natures?

Inbred sin or “the old man” is the spirit and nature of the devil working in men of disobedience. The “old man” is the opposite of righteousness or “the new man” which is the Spirit and nature of God working in men of obedience (Eph. 2:1-3; 4:22-24). The “old man” then is not some part of the body, soul, or spirit of man, but is the spirit and nature of the devil working in man the lusts of sin. The “old man” could be spelled D–E–V–I–L or S–A–T–A–N, and this will express the truth about inbred sin as taught in Scripture. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 51.

Galatians 5:17 (NKJV)
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

I did NOT see two natures there!

Do you have another verse of Scripture?

Romans 8:5 (NKJV)
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:13 (NKJV)
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Galatians 6:8 (NKJV)
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

[macca]

After reading all this post i am beside myself

[titus213]

Some of the confusion when discussing man's "nature/s" comes when we think of a "nature' as if it were a substance, or an actual component of man's being in the same way as our physical organs. A "nature" is simply an umbrella term used to sum up the traits of a human being. It is not an actual entity which resides in us. We can grasp this when we find ourselves talking about someone who has a gift or talent which seems like "second nature" to him. Or when we say about someone "it's just not in his nature" to be an optimist.

So a person's nature is the sum and substance of their personality, thoughts, etc. Their character traits.
For the unbeliever, that nature is determined and dominated by Satan. For the believer, that nature is determined and dominated by the Holy Spirit.

[branham1965]

REVEREND DAKE
taught God did not literally indwell people.
this is very important.
in regeneration there is not coming into existence of any part of man.
YE HATH HE QUICKENED =MADE ALIVE ye who were dead in tresspasses and sins........that which is born of the Spirit IS SPIRIT.
thats just two.

it was a figment of ones imagination not literal.everything else is literal but not the indwelling
it has to do with the idea of God thats almost Mormonism whitewashed....i recently talked two two Mormon brats who were wet behind the ears.

and the nature of man.
and the idea people are born again 1,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 times.

IT IS NOT ACCEPTED BUT RATHER REJECTED BY EVERY FULL GOSPEL EVANGELICAL DENOMINATION. +pieface +pieface

not trying to cause a row.nor justify anything.

im wondering what folks thinks.

i reckon the pet answer that will come.

but i mean what do folks here really think???????


FOR EXAMPLE if one is a Christian and sees a beautiful woman what is that that draws one to look more than once???
IF one sees someone harming ones loved one what is that urge to retaliate and defend her?????
IF one has troubles with temper,thought life,bad habits,cussing,mental issues,worry any 101 things that seem to trouble believers.
if that nature is gone and dead why the problems??????????

Dad Hagin said he had to fight his flesh like anyone else.his biggest trouble once in his walk with God he said was ....worry.
he also said from a divine Visitation of Jesus God will judge believers quicker on spiritual sins than physical sins.that shocked me.
James 1:14 if men have no sin nature as has been taught by Wesley which in turn became holiness doctrine and Pentecostal doctrine.

im shooting from the hip.

i hope it ...

Billy
In effect we do have two natures. One our flesh is self centered and wants only to indulge itself. The other our spiritual nature once we are saved wants to serve God in obedience and faithfulness. We have a constant conflict which requires us to crucify the flesh.

Hi Ed,

Where do you get that we humans have TWO natures?

Inbred sin or “the old man” is the spirit and nature of the devil working in men of disobedience. The “old man” is the opposite of righteousness or “the new man” which is the Spirit and nature of God working in men of obedience (Eph. 2:1-3; 4:22-24). The “old man” then is not some part of the body, soul, or spirit of man, but is the spirit and nature of the devil working in man the lusts of sin. The “old man” could be spelled D–E–V–I–L or S–A–T–A–N, and this will express the truth about inbred sin as taught in Scripture. Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 51.

[Ironman]

After reading all this post i am beside myself

No worries mate, as long as you are either on your right side or left side, and even on your back side is ok, as long as your not at work.