Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ PROOF OF A PREE-ADAMITE WORLD

[Justaned]

[... I can not see where any of the verses you have presented Haz, proves anything of a Pre Adamite World.

Ray
As I have always said the verses used as support to a Pre Adamite world provides fodder for thought but nothing in scripture confirms it.
The whole concept is based on speculation and an assumed understanding of ancient Hebrew words and their meanings.

Any expert in Hebrew will readily admit that many of the definitions we assign to Hebrew words may or may not be correct. That they may encompass more or less that they were actually intended to encompass with their meanings. We know for a fact many Hebrew words and their meanings were lost to us and others were distorted by 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Many believe Moses or other Hebrew scholars had to redefine words whose original intended meaning had been lost to the Hebrew people. This occurred again during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.

So while it is interesting to consider a Pre Adamite world it must remain classified as speculation rather than proven fact.

Hi Ed,

Just wondering how many books on the Pre-Adamite world do you own, if any?

How many books on the Pre Adamite world do I own?
Other than Dakes books non.
Since it obviously can't be proven by scripture so why would I want to read more idle speculation.

I guess there is could be some case made for reading about it more. But I think it could become like the old adage of a lie repeated often enough it becomes truth. That is not saying Pre Adamite world is a lie simply unprovable. But if one were to always read about it, dwelt upon it, immersing one's person into it long enough it could become fact like to them. While the rest of us still view it as idle speculation.

Hi Ed,

Above when asked how many books on the Pre-adamite world do you own, you replied: NONE!

May I say that anyone reading your comments on the subject would already know that.

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

Another "I don't know what I am talking about" comment!

It is sort of like me talking as an authority on being a chef! Just because I eat food does not mean I know how to cook it.

How is that? Are you saying some author should be able to supercede scripture? I think not!
I said if it can't be clearly seen in scripture I do not what to be convinced by crafty Wordsmitting of some author. I would hope you hold the same view.

As to your chef's analogy. I have seen chefs serve people a plate of food telling them it was steak in some fancy dish. Which they ate and remarked how good the steak was. Then the chef revealed it was not steak at all in fact it wasn't meat. You see they allowed the crafty chef make them think they were eating meat when in fact they weren't. How? He cleverly hide it in the fancy dish. That is exactly how many authors handle the word of God swearing the whole time it is truth from the world of God.

[Ray]

Brothers,

I have to believe what is in the Scriptures. Now either the verses below is TRUE and Accurate or their false. And if these verses are false how can we believe any of Scripture to be TRUE.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Now either "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" as The Scriptures CLEARLY Present, Or The Scriptures are inaccurate.

Question :
Why should anyone believe the verses above to be untrue? While in FACT there are NO verses of SCRIPTURE that proves otherwise.

[Justaned]

Ed your quote:

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

Ed your reading material:




Pot Calling the Kettle black?
Sorry brother could not help myself

Once again instead of offering tangible and sustainable proof you offer only this

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

Sorry brother but I could not help myself

[Rocky]

Ed your quote:

Well that is one view point but let me say this. If it can't be clearly seen in scripture I don't want to be convinced by crafty wordsmithing of some author.

Ed your reading material:




Pot Calling the Kettle black?
Sorry brother could not help myself

Once again instead of offering tangible and sustainable proof you offer only this

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

Sorry brother but I could not help myself

[Ironman]

Brothers,

I have to believe what is in the Scriptures. Now either the verses below is TRUE and Accurate or their false. And if these verses are false how can we believe any of Scripture to be TRUE.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Now either "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" as The Scriptures CLEARLY Present, Or The Scriptures are inaccurate.

Question :
Why should anyone believe the verses above to be untrue? While in FACT there are NO verses of SCRIPTURE that proves otherwise.

Hi Ray.

You say;

"I have to believe what is in the Scriptures."

Well believe this!

Remember reading where God told Noah after the flood to replenish the earth?

Gen.9:1, "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth." Why did God say that? God told Noah and his family to replenish the earth because it was plenished before He destroyed it because of Lucifers rebellion. The Earth had previous life upon it, God in His anger destroyed it, and now was the time to replenish this life.

The same was told to Adam and Eve;

Gen. 1:28," And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

When God re-created the earth to make it habitable for man after the flood of Gen. 1:2, and when God re-created the animals, birds, fish of the sea, God created them all AFTER THEIR OWN KIND, What kind was that? Why the kind of birds, fish and all the animals that existed and were alive on the earth ruled by Lucifer before God destroyed the earth everything living therin after Lucifers rebellion.

Gen. 1:21, And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl AFTER HIS KIND: and God saw that it was good.

Gen. 1: 25, And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth AFTER HIS KIND: and God saw that it was good.

And, there are two distinct floods spoken about in these Scriptures which you profess to believe in, Scriptures that is.

There are definate contrasts between the flood of Lucifer Gen. 1:2, and the flood of Noah. The two floods are completly different floods and occured at different times. The first, Lucifers flood is the flood on the earth "That then was." Noah's flood was on the earth "That now is."

Calling one flood Lucifers flood( L.F.) and calling another flood Noah's flood (N.F.) we can see scripturally that they were two different floods. How do you explain the differences between all these Scriptures describing these floods without rubbing out at least half of these Scriptures, the ones you do not understand, the ones which do not align themselves with your understanding or disbelief in what they are teaching, depending upon weather you believe there was only one flood, or two totally different floods with totally different consequences and end results?

L.F. 1. The Earth made waste (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. 2. Earth not made waste (Gen. 8:11-12, 22 ; Heb. 11:7 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).


L.F. 1. The Earth made empty (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23).
N.F. 2. The Earth not made empty (Gen. 6:18-22 ; 8:16).

L.F. 1. The Earth made totally dark (Gen. 1:2-5 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. 2. The Earth not made totally dark (Gen. 8:6-22)

L.F. No light from heaven (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Light from heaven (Gen. 8:6-22).

L.F. No day and night (Gen. 1:2-5).
N.F. Day and night (Gen. 8:1-22).

L.F. All vegetation destroyed Gen. 1:2 ; 2:5-6 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Vegetation not destroyed (Gen. 8:11, 21 ; 9:3, 20).

L.F. No continued abating of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Continued abating of the waters from the earth by evaporation (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. Waters taken off the earth in one day (Gen. 1:10).
N.F. Months of waters abating off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. God supernaturally takes waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. No rebuke or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12 ; Ps. 104:7).
N.F. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. The waters on earth in Gen. 1:2, hasted away when rebuked (Gen. 1:6-2 ; Ps. 104:9).
N.F. The bounds already eternally set for waters in Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. All fish were totally destroyed in flood of Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. No fish were destroyed of created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23 ; 6:18-22).

L.F. No fowles left on the earth after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. Fowles were left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:7-17).

L.F. No animals left after (Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Some of all animals kept alive (Gen. 6:20 ; 8:17 ; 9:2-4, 10-16).

L.F. No man left on earth in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. Eight men and women left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:18 ; 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No social system left at all in Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. A social system left after Noah's flood (Gen. 8:15-22 ; 9:1-16 ; 1 Pet. 3:20).

L.F. No ark made to save men in Gen. 1:2 ; jer. 4:23-26 ; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).
N.F. An ark made to save men and animals alive (Gen. 6:8-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16 ; Heb. 11:7).

L.F. Cause: fall of Lucifer, now Satan (Isa. 14:12-14; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17 ; Luke 10:18).
N.F. Cause: wickedness of men (Gen. 6:5-13) ; and fallen angels (Gen. 6:1-4; Jude 6-7 ; 2 Pet. 2:4).

L.F. Result: became necessary to make new life on earth (Gen. 1:3-2 : 25 ; Isa. 45:18 ; Eph. 3:11).
N.F. Results: no new creation made, for all men and animals were not destroyed (Gen. 6:18-8 : 22 ; 9:1-16).

[Ray]

Haz,

Look at ANY good Hebrew Lexicon and see what the word "replenish" in Gen. 1:28 means.
And the KJV is one of the ONLY to use the word "replenish" in Gen 1:28 in it's translation.

as for "after their own kind" this speaks of the Bird after the Bird Kind, Fish after the Fish Kind, Cattle after the Cattle kind ect...
In NO way does this speak of a recreation.

[Ironman]

Haz,

Look at ANY good Hebrew Lexicon and see what the word "replenish" in Gen. 1:28 means.
And the KJV is one of the ONLY to use the word "replenish" in Gen 1:28 in it's translation.

as for "after their own kind" this speaks of the Bird after the Bird Kind, Fish after the Fish Kind, Cattle after the Cattle kind ect...
In NO way does this speak of a recreation.

Hi Ray.

"Look at ANY good Hebrew Lexicon and see what the word "replenish" in Gen. 1:28 means.
And the KJV is one of the ONLY to use the word "replenish" in Gen 1:28 in it's translation."

.
Mate, I don't have one. What does it say 'replenish' means?

I must say, I disagree!

So if a bird is made after the bird kind, what was the original bird kind like that the newly created bird was made like?

And if a Fish is made after the fish kind, what kind of fish was it that the newly created fish was made like?

And if Cattle was made after the cattle kind, what kind of cattle were they that the newly created cattle were made like?

God originally never created one bird, cow, or fish. God created hundreds of thousands of them, even millions of them originally, then He destroyed them and all the earth and flooded it all. He then re-created the earth, created Adam and Eve, re-created all the birds, animals and fish and told them to go and re-plenish the earth! as he told Noah after his flood.

Have a go at explaining the differences in the two floods taught in Scripture. I cannot come up with any conclusion that does not clearly and plainly show two different world wide catastrophic floods, one much worse than the other, one destroyed ALL LIVING THINGS the other never destroyed all living things. One had no light, the other had light, etc.

[branham1965]

THATS YOUR OPINION.
IT DOESNT FLY HERE.HAZ IS SPOT ON.
DO YOU BELIEVE THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD AND THE LIKE???

Brothers,

I have to believe what is in the Scriptures. Now either the verses below is TRUE and Accurate or their false. And if these verses are false how can we believe any of Scripture to be TRUE.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Now either "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" as The Scriptures CLEARLY Present, Or The Scriptures are inaccurate.

Question :
Why should anyone believe the verses above to be untrue? While in FACT there are NO verses of SCRIPTURE that proves otherwise.

[Justaned]

Brothers,

I have to believe what is in the Scriptures. Now either the verses below is TRUE and Accurate or their false. And if these verses are false how can we believe any of Scripture to be TRUE.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Now either "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" as The Scriptures CLEARLY Present, Or The Scriptures are inaccurate.

Question :
Why should anyone believe the verses above to be untrue? While in FACT there are NO verses of SCRIPTURE that proves otherwise.

I agree Ray.
Also why are your posts showing up after the fact? I know this wasn't here when I responded to Rocky's post above.
Bibleman are you moderating Ray too?

[branham1965]

Now wait....you want me to believe you over Reverend Dake who was divinely gifted by the Holy Ghost to write his Bible and books?????are you kidding us???
+pieface

Haz,

Look at ANY good Hebrew Lexicon and see what the word "replenish" in Gen. 1:28 means.
And the KJV is one of the ONLY to use the word "replenish" in Gen 1:28 in it's translation.

as for "after their own kind" this speaks of the Bird after the Bird Kind, Fish after the Fish Kind, Cattle after the Cattle kind ect...
In NO way does this speak of a recreation.