Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

[branham1965]

HEY HAZ.I DONT KNOW WHY FOLKS CANT GET THIS????

If one has never ever heard about God, Jesus Christ or the gospel as billions of people in the world today, in China, central Australia, Papua, East Timor, South America, the Congo, darkest Africa, to name a few, and in past generations, God will do right by them! How can all these people believe in something or someone they have never heard about and know absolutely nothing about???

God will judge these people accordingly as Scripture clearly teaches. God will do right even by those who have never ever even heard of Him! or any other name associated with and to God. God has revealed His method of dealing with these people even those who have never heard the gospel.

Paul stated in Romans 2:12-16 that God will do right by every man according to the light he has recieved. He said, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets fo men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

"There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief." (Proverbs 12:21).

[macca]

Haz! you better check out what Paul called his gospel.

i know what you are saying and why, but its not Paul's gospel.

macca

[Ironman]

Haz! you better check out what Paul called his gospel.

i know what you are saying and why, but its not Paul's gospel.

macca

Sorry, I meant to write, Paul wrote!

Pauls gospel? he wrote in 2 Tim. 2:8, "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:" and in Romans 16:25-27, Paul wrote, "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

[Ironman]

Multitudes of people living on Earth will never even know that Antichrist has been on the Earth until he has come and gone? It is a known fact that over half of the people on Earth today have never heard the namd of Jesus Christ or His gospel. It is also well known that multitudes of peoples in the interior of Africa, South America, Australia, India, Tibet and many parts of the Earth do not know that there have been two world wars in a generation. It will be equally true that these people out of touch with so-called civilization will never get to know that there has been an Antichrist and a great tribulation on the Earth untill Christ has come and resurrected saints of all ages extend the kingdom of Christ from Jerusalem to the ends of the Earth in the Milennium.

It is also utter folly to teach that one human being called the Antichrist ruling over only ten kingdoms inside the Roman Empire territory can take over every part of the Earth and literally kill everybody who does not take his mark. This would be teaching that one human being is going to do more in forty-two months or 1260 literal days in establishing his religion in every person living on Earth that God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and the whole Church has done in over nineteen centuries to get the gospel out.

Now, If God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and the whole Church were unable, in over nineteen centuries to get the gospel out, then who gave the many billions of people in similar cicumstances as mentioned above, of Africa, South America, Australia, India and Tibet, the oportunity to know God, Jesus Christ, the gospel, and salvation, the knowledge that one must believe, be baptized, be born again? There are only about 682,400,000 professed Christians of nearly 7,000,000,000 (7 billion) people in the world today.

God will do right even by those who have never ever even heard of Him! or any other name associated with and to God. God has revealed His method of dealing with these people even those who have never heard the gospel.

In Romans 2:12-16 that God will do right by every man according to the light he has recieved. He said, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets fo men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

[Watchman2013]

Good Morning, Rocky,

I whole heartedly agree with you. Our God is Love, Mercy, Grace, and Kindness, personified... You summed things up, beautifully...

As a Dad, it's sometimes hard to tell non-parents of The Love of God, if they've never experienced it, or have not been a parent... We are, indeed blessed, that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit do know all things, and see things from all Godly perspectives... Praise God, for His unconditional Love, His Mercy, His Grace, His everlasting Kindness, and His wonderful Nature, ALWAYS being constant, in season, and out of season...

Those who portray God in any manner that does not show Him as being the embodiment of Heavenly Love, Mercy, Grace, and Kindness- yes, even, especially, when He chastises or punishes, do not really know Him... To those so inclined, either preach Jesus, and Him Crucified, as Paul preached, IN GOD'S LOVE, or let another, your mantle take... Reflect the Glory of God, in all ways, or go get a "normal" job...

God Bless You and Yours, Rocky...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[macca]

When did Adam's family become God's family?

macca

[macca]

If thats the case Ed, then they are born "children of God" ??????

What next?

[Justaned]

If thats the case Ed, then they are born "children of God" ??????

What next?

Macca
Fact is we don't know the answer. But to my thinking JUSTICE requires an awareness to sin and the awareness to reject sin. I don't see that awareness in an aborted baby.

That said I also believe God is just. So when we get to heaven and find all aborted babies went to hell we will also learn the definition of justice that sent them there. If we get to heaven and find all aborted babies are there we will so learn how their salvation was precured.

Until we have that knowledge my limited knowledge requires me to believe aborted babies are not destined to hell.

[Justaned]

Then I guess I don't see your point.

[Ironman]

"I think the mistake you are making, Haz, is assuming anyone is worthy of going to Heaven just becaue they supposedly "lived a clean righteous life not knowing anything of God."

No one can earn eternal life by their own effort or merits.

It is only by grace through faith that anyone can be saved."

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Anyone, who has volentarily lived a good honest life, pleasing to God, and who through no fault of his own had never heard of God, Jesus or the gospel, will enter Heaven purely by the very GRACE of God you speak about!

God is by nature gracious, merciful, loving, kind, good and compassionate, (Exodus 34:6; Ps. 86:15).