Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ THREE BAPTISMS

[luchnia]

Ed has resurrected

Ok, I give. Who is Ed?

[macca]

Ed has resurrected

Ok, I give. Who is Ed?

Justaned. Last seen Aug 2014.

[branham1965]

Has it been that long??
I hope he is well.I wish he would come back.
He was a good debater.

Ed has resurrected

Ok, I give. Who is Ed?

Justaned. Last seen Aug 2014.

[Hill Top]

...He is much more adamant than Mr. Hilltop is about water baptism. At least Mr. Hilltop only believes water baptism remits past sins.

That's what Acts 2:38 says, and I believe Peter.
It is also our way "into" Christ, not to mention the means by which we are entered into Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)
Without water baptism are flesh will not be 'circumcised' without hands. (Col 2:11-12)
We will be condemned to continue life in the flesh instead of in the Spirit. (Rom 8:8-9)

BTW, water baptism is only part of what is required for salvation.
Faith/belief, repentance from sin, the gift of the Holy Ghost, continued obedience to God, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves are also required for salvation.
Withdrawing even one block from this "wall" will cause one to have his name erased from the book of life.

[luchnia]

That's what Acts 2:38 says, and I believe Peter.
It is also our way "into" Christ, not to mention the means by which we are entered into Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)
Without water baptism are flesh will not be 'circumcised' without hands. (Col 2:11-12)
We will be condemned to continue life in the flesh instead of in the Spirit. (Rom 8:8-9)

BTW, water baptism is only part of what is required for salvation.
Faith/belief, repentance from sin, the gift of the Holy Ghost, continued obedience to God, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves are also required for salvation.
Withdrawing even one block from this "wall" will cause one to have his name erased from the book of life.

You and I disagree with the meaning of Acts 2:38 as well as many other scriptures you use. You perceive Acts 2:38 means TO remit sins. I believe it is FOR or BECAUSE of the remission of sins by the belief in a man's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Repentance is required before baptism as in the case of Acts 2:38. I understand your view, yet I disagree that water baptism is required for salvation and that Peter was teaching water baptism to remit sins. (1Jn. 1:9; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 1:16; 3:24-25; 5:1)

Acts 2:37-39 (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[Hill Top]

You and I disagree with the meaning of Acts 2:38 as well as many other scriptures you use. You perceive Acts 2:38 means TO remit sins. I believe it is FOR or BECAUSE of the remission of sins by the belief in a man's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Then you better show the verses that point to another means, or way our old sins were remitted.

Repentance is required before baptism as in the case of Acts 2:38. I understand your view, yet I disagree that water baptism is required for salvation and that Peter was teaching water baptism to remit sins. (1Jn. 1:9; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 1:16; 3:24-25; 5:1)
So a man must confess his sins; believe in the heart and vocally say that God raised Jesus from the dead; in order to get on the road to salvation. Your last three citings seemed to be effects of the first two verses, so aren't really "ways to salvation".
Both your first two verses happen at baptism "in Jesus' name", in water.
In some cases sins are confessed, but in all cases baptism is done in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
Your doctrine does all the things baptism does without the actual baptism.!

Acts 2:37-39 (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

...and 3000 went and got baptized.

If your doctrine is correct, why did Philip baptize the Ethiopian eunuch?
Why did Peter baptize Cornelius?
Why did Paul baptize the twelve at Ephesus?
The quick answer is that your doctrine is not the doctrine of Philip, Paul, or Peter.

[luchnia]

Then you better show the verses that point to another means, or way our old sins were remitted.

References to verses and full chapters have been given. Why do they need to be reposted?

[branham1965]

A elderly old friend of mine -a WW2 vet in my wedding -once said its sometimes best to put some things on the shelf.If folks debate ,debate ,debate with no result shelf it.Give it a rest for a bit.
I say that with no ill will to Hill Top or anyone else here.


I have posted some on here.Dear Lord.

[Hill Top]

References to verses and full chapters have been given. Why do they need to be reposted?

I answered to your verses: why not answer my questions?

[Hill Top]

A elderly old friend of mine -a WW2 vet in my wedding -once said its sometimes best to put some things on the shelf.If folks debate ,debate ,debate with no result shelf it.Give it a rest for a bit.
I say that with no ill will to Hill Top or anyone else.
I have posted some on here.Dear Lord.

If a man won't take the "life-vest", should I just let him drown?