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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm

luchnia wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:14 am
Peter believed that water saved you?
Yes, just as "eight souls were saved by water", "baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
Why not read verse 18, 19, 20, and 21 and try to understand what the context of what is being taught there. You might realize those verses are teaching the opposite to what you are implying.
They teach exactly as I teach.
Baptism saves us by our immersion into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
Baptism is how and where the old man of the flesh is killed, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:45 pm

macca wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:49 am
Rom.10:8-10; But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that is the word of faith which we preach.
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
And where is that ever used in scripture?
It is written..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)
We call on the name of the Lord when we baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:47 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:59 am
I think such an accusation shouldn't be tossed out lightly.
If you are correct, there's no hope for the accused.
May God have mercy upon you.
What accusation?
I was just citing fact.



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:54 pm

luchnia wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:42 pm
Saying that water baptism is required for salvation brings a huge problem into focus when you think of why John baptized Jesus. If water remitted old sins and saved, then why baptize Jesus for the remission of old sins, since He did not have any?

Did Jesus need a pardon? Did He need to be cleaned from all unrighteousness? Ever thought that Jesus did this to signify His entrance to the priesthood or some other requirements under the OT in order that all righteousness be fulfilled before His death?
Jesus' baptism was a fulfillment of prophesy.
As the Levites were washed, in Num. 8:16-21, so too was Jesus washed before He assumed the roll of priest.



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:30 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:47 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:59 am
I think such an accusation shouldn't be tossed out lightly.
If you are correct, there's no hope for the accused.
May God have mercy upon you.
What accusation?
I was just citing fact.

Macca said that "Salvation by water baptism is a doctrine of demons." And, you replied that "calling a work of God a doctrine of devil is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost."

So, it is a fact that Macca has blasphemed the Holy Ghost? Committed the unpardonable sin? No room for error in your judgment? No room for an exception? Macca is now irrevocably one of the Walking Damned?

Or, am I just badly misunderstanding you?


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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:38 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:30 pm
Macca said that "Salvation by water baptism is a doctrine of demons." And, you replied that "calling a work of God a doctrine of devils is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost."

So, it is a fact that Macca has blasphemed the Holy Ghost? Committed the unpardonable sin? No room for error in your judgment? No room for an exception? Macca is now irrevocably one of the Walking Damned?
Or, am I just badly misunderstanding you?
What do you think?
Isn't calling a work of God a doctrine of devils blasphemy of the Holy Ghost?
Let's see his reason for such a bold statement.
I'll bet the Ethiopian eunuch would sure be interested in this.
And Philip, one of the seven, who baptized him, too.



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by macca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:41 am

If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......

Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/

God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.

If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man...

You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.

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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:39 am

:angel: :angel: :angel: I am with you macca.
macca wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:41 am
If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......

Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/

God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.

If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man...

You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.

macca



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by luchnia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:25 am

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm
Yes, just as "eight souls were saved by water", "baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
So let me get this straight. The eight souls saved by water were somehow immersed in water and not saved FROM the water? I thought scripture showed them taken into the Ark and God protecting them FROM the water? I must have misunderstood how God saved them. He must have immersed them IN the water before saving them FROM the water.


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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:22 pm

macca wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:41 am
If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights,
If the hell you cite is the grave, we agree...so far.
that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......
Why would Jesus baptize OT saints?
They had the Mosaic Law for the forgiveness of their sins.
Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/
Jesus never committed a sin, so death couldn't hold Him.
He told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that day.
As for OT saints...Though some were seen after Jesus' resurrection, the rest will wait, with modern day saints, for the return of Christ to be raised again
God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.
Nothing is written of what the Son of God 'knew' before His resurrection.
If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man.
Is that a joke?
Why would yo think the instrument the Lord uses is greater that the Lord who uses it?
Those who baptize, like John the baptist, Peter, Philip, and Paul, are all servants of the Lord.
Doing the Lord's commandments.
You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.
macca
It is written..."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Why get baptized if you don't believe?

Here's some 'good news'...We can all live without committing sin now !
But it requires a real repentance from sin, and rebirth.
I hope the only differences between our beliefs is the manner of our rebirth.
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