Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The failure of holding fast.

[Ironman]

Turning from sin and pleading with God the shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover ones sins is not a sin and to say otherwise is sin in my humble opinion.

“David’s prayer of repentance,” King David was not a lost person before he sinned against God. David was a believer, a saint who acknowledges his sins, he has just committed adultery with Bathsheba, and he has conspired to murder her husband in battle; 2 Samuel chapter 11. The LORD sent the Prophet Nathan to rebuke David in chapter 12.
After meeting with Nathan, David prayed in Psalm 51: “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. thy holy spirit from me.”

Luke 18: 13, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Romans 10: 9-10, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. V 10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

[branham1965]

AMEN Haz.Thanks.

Turning from sin and pleading with God the shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover ones sins is not a sin and to say otherwise is sin in my humble opinion.

“David’s prayer of repentance,” King David was not a lost person before he sinned against God. David was a believer, a saint who acknowledges his sins, he has just committed adultery with Bathsheba, and he has conspired to murder her husband in battle; 2 Samuel chapter 11. The LORD sent the Prophet Nathan to rebuke David in chapter 12.
After meeting with Nathan, David prayed in Psalm 51: “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. thy holy spirit from me.”

Luke 18: 13, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Romans 10: 9-10, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. V 10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

[Hill Top]

Turning from sin and pleading with God the shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover ones sins is not a sin and to say otherwise is sin in my humble opinion.

You are correct, and God provides the method of application of the "shed blood of Christ" with baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins.
Prayer answered !

“David’s prayer of repentance,” King David was not a lost person before he sinned against God. David was a believer, a saint who acknowledges his sins, he has just committed adultery with Bathsheba, and he has conspired to murder her husband in battle; 2 Samuel chapter 11. The LORD sent the Prophet Nathan to rebuke David in chapter 12.
After meeting with Nathan, David prayed in Psalm 51: “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. thy holy spirit from me.”

David was of the OT.
He was not afforded rebirth, so walked in the flesh, instead of in the Spirit, all his days on earth. (And had the tenets of the Mosaic Law for the remission of his sins)
We don't have that excuse to commit sin anymore.

Luke 18: 13, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

This is not a remitting of sin.
The parabolic publican had to still get the goat or lamb, for the blood to wash his sins away

Romans 10: 9-10, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. V 10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Why is it important to believe Jesus was raised from the dead?
Because by our "immersion" into Him, and into His death, we too are crucified, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
If we don't believe He was raised from the dead how can we believe we will be too?

[branham1965]

In God's Plan for Man
Baptism is covered in pages 533 to 544.

It is an in depth Scriptural exposition of Baptism in the Word of God.

I encourage you to buy a Dake Bible and a copy of God's Plan for Man.

[branham1965]

Some people are professional condemners .They are hard on others but not themselves.They never try to feel any empathy,compassion,sympathy for other people.
They like to look down their noses at others.
When Gwen Wilkerson got cancer in the 80's these kind were saying she must have sin in her life and condemned her.Her husband the late Reverend David Wilkerson was not amused.
When Christian leaders fell these condemners did not weep or feel heartbroken are you kidding? Condemners looked down their noses in condemnation.

But many are not that way.They want to give what they have received Life from Jesus Christ. Many Churches and ministries have wonderful incredible outreaches to help broken people with problems of all kinds.They have help for people vexed with bondages and addictions to pornography,to drugs,to alcohol,gambling,anger etc.These Churches minister life ,love,help ,hope and healing to those in need.
They are doing what JESUS said to identify Himself in Luke 4:18-19.

[luchnia]

You have any one particular in mind??

Is this what this is ,taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post

No one in particular in mind. If you want, you can simply look on the TV, or youtube and you can take your pick. There are plenty there.

As far as your second sentence, why perceive that my posts are "taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post."? You perceive something as you desire to. How do you know from the typed text that my posts is anything other than helping others grow in grace and knowledge of our lord Jesus?

Why not simply realize that each of us that desire the best for God's saints can discuss in love and lifting up the servant Jesus? Did Jesus not love when He turned over the money changer tables, or called Herod "that fox"?

If He is the pinnacle of how we are to love, then why is it wrong to point out error from truth just as Jesus did? He even commanded it. Are we not to follow Him in that endeavor as well as all that He taught us?

[branham1965]

I think you are spot on. I was the one who was off center.My bad.Thank you luchnia.

You have any one particular in mind??

Is this what this is ,taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post

No one in particular in mind. If you want, you can simply look on the TV, or youtube and you can take your pick. There are plenty there.

As far as your second sentence, why perceive that my posts are "taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post."? You perceive something as you desire to. How do you know from the typed text that my posts is anything other than helping others grow in grace and knowledge of our lord Jesus?

Why not simply realize that each of us that desire the best for God's saints can discuss in love and lifting up the servant Jesus? Did Jesus not love when He turned over the money changer tables, or called Herod "that fox"?

If He is the pinnacle of how we are to love, then why is it wrong to point out error from truth just as Jesus did? He even commanded it. Are we not to follow Him in that endeavor as well as all that He taught us?

[Hill Top]

Turning from sin and pleading with God the shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover ones sins is not a sin and to say otherwise is sin in my humble opinion.

I agree completely'
The answer to that prayer for the "covering of sins"...or scripturally said "remission of sins" is baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.."for the remission of sins: (Acts 2:38)
To pray for remission, then refuse baptism to that end, is to keep one's sins instead of turning from them and having them washed away by the blood of Christ.

“David’s prayer of repentance,” King David was not a lost person before he sinned against God. David was a believer, a saint who acknowledges his sins, he has just committed adultery with Bathsheba, and he has conspired to murder her husband in battle; 2 Samuel chapter 11. The LORD sent the Prophet Nathan to rebuke David in chapter 12.
After meeting with Nathan, David prayed in Psalm 51: “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. thy holy spirit from me.”

The men of the OT had all the ways of atonement supplied by God through the Mosaic Law.
The men of the OT could not yet be reborn so they could walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.

Luke 18: 13, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

If the publican was serious about his sorrow, (2 Cor 7:10), he was in effect an ex-sinner.
More sin afterward would manifest his prayer, and turn from sin, as a lie.
His prayer would not be heard.

Romans 10: 9-10, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. V 10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Shall we find a biblical example of that happening?
Acts 22:16..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Sorry to have posted twice to the same questions.
I've been off line for a few days and wasn't aware I had already answered this.

[branham1965]

NO ONE on here that i know believes in :

1.baptismal regeneration

2.that a child of God cannot sin and lose their salvation

3.That if a Christian sins they cannot confess that sin unto God.

REVEREND DAKE'S TEACHINGS FROM THE WORD OF GOD

HE TAUGHT SANCTIFICATION AND HOLINESS FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT SALVATION AND WATER BAPTISM FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT CHRISTIANS CAN BACKSLIDE AND CAN BE RESTORED FROM THE WORD.

[luchnia]

NO ONE on here that i know believes in :

1.baptismal regeneration

2.that a child of God cannot sin and lose their salvation

3.That if a Christian sins they cannot confess that sin unto God.

REVEREND DAKE'S TEACHINGS FROM THE WORD OF GOD

HE TAUGHT SANCTIFICATION AND HOLINESS FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT SALVATION AND WATER BAPTISM FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT CHRISTIANS CAN BACKSLIDE AND CAN BE RESTORED FROM THE WORD.

I think you need to include the word water, because we all were baptismally regenerated, but water had nothing to do with it. I am sure you are referring to water baptism though .

I only met a few in over 40 years that believe in baptismal regeneration by water, or like doctrine. I found that most of the misunderstanding was that they always associated the word water when the word baptism was used. They could not understand that baptism in most cases has nothing to do with water.

No physical element can immerse one into Christ or immerse one into the Spirit.