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[Justaned]

The witnesses are witnesses to the Jews (Children of Israel) Enoch was not a Jew. The Lineage of the Children of Israel came from Abraham via Jacob(Israel). Enoch lived before Abraham or Jacob.

Elijah and Moses appears on the Mount of transfiguration. So while Moses is dead he is still seen at the mount."

So do you suggest God may send Moses back as one of the witnesses and have him die again?

Moses would be a witness to the Jews not Enoch who wasn't Jewish.

Just one small paragraph; Dake's GPFM Page 811-12.

Identity of the two witnesses.
Enoch will be the other witness. This is clear because Enoch and Elijah are the only two people who have not tasted death; that is, they have not died their appointed death on Earth. This they must undergo as have all others (Gen. 5:21-24; Heb.11:5; 2 Kings 2).
Both Enoch and Elijah were prophets of Judgment (Jude 14, 15; 1 Kings 17-18). We know Elijah was translated and did not see death. Enoch is the only other man translated and thus did not see death during his lifetime on Earth, that such was for some definite purpose; that is, to be the other witness.
That both men will come back and die their appointed deaths at the hands of the Antichrist is not only incredible, but is entirely logical.

With that logic all that are raptured will have to die also? So those that say they don't want to die but instead go in the rapture are mistaken they will have to die anyhow????

[Ironman]

Justaned wrote

"With that logic all that are raptured will have to die also? So those that say they don't want to die but instead go in the rapture are mistaken they will have to die anyhow????"

Sadly, you just don't get it at all. All that are raptured before the Tribulation are not the two olive trees and the two candle sticks standing before the God of the Earth (Rev. 11:4) This with Zech. 4:3; 11L14, shows that two persons are represented. They were standing before God about 546 B.C. when Zechariah prophesised and they were still there when John prophesised about 96 A.D.

Your logic runs like this. An engineer, an architect and Justaned are stranded on a desert island with only one can of baked beans and no can opener. The engineer suggests lighting a fire to heat up the can so that the contents will expand and force the can to open. The architect says the contents would scatter all over the place, so he suggests building a structure around the fire to catch the contents. Justaned says, Lets assume a can opener. You never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption!

[Ironman]

Justaned wrote

"With that logic all that are raptured will have to die also? So those that say they don't want to die but instead go in the rapture are mistaken they will have to die anyhow????"

Sadly, you just don't get it at all. All that are raptured before the Tribulation are not the two olive trees and the two candle sticks standing before the God of the Earth (Rev. 11:4) This with Zech. 4:3; 11L14, shows that two persons are represented. They were standing before God about 546 B.C. when Zechariah prophesised and they were still there when John prophesised about 96 A.D.

Your logic runs like this. An engineer, an architect and Justaned are stranded on a desert island with only one can of baked beans and no can opener. The engineer suggests lighting a fire to heat up the can so that the contents will expand and force the can to open. The architect says the contents would scatter all over the place, so he suggests building a structure around the fire to catch the contents. Justaned says, Lets assume a can opener. You never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption!

You said everyone has to die and I asked about those raptured. And you went off on this goofy nonsense. If you logic can't be supported then just admit it.

Hay, I never said this, God's Word says this;

Hebrews 9:27, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Read this and repent). So, because you don't believe what God has written, your assuming all those who are raptured must come back and die??? Elijah and Enoch being translated about 546 B.C., has nothing to do with the coming rapture.

[Justaned]

Justaned wrote

"With that logic all that are raptured will have to die also? So those that say they don't want to die but instead go in the rapture are mistaken they will have to die anyhow????"

Sadly, you just don't get it at all. All that are raptured before the Tribulation are not the two olive trees and the two candle sticks standing before the God of the Earth (Rev. 11:4) This with Zech. 4:3; 11L14, shows that two persons are represented. They were standing before God about 546 B.C. when Zechariah prophesised and they were still there when John prophesised about 96 A.D.

Your logic runs like this. An engineer, an architect and Justaned are stranded on a desert island with only one can of baked beans and no can opener. The engineer suggests lighting a fire to heat up the can so that the contents will expand and force the can to open. The architect says the contents would scatter all over the place, so he suggests building a structure around the fire to catch the contents. Justaned says, Lets assume a can opener. You never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption!

You said everyone has to die and I asked about those raptured. And you went off on this goofy nonsense. If you logic can't be supported then just admit it.

Hay, I never said this, God's Word says this;

Hebrews 9:27, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Read this and repent). So, because you don't believe what God has written, your assuming all those who are raptured must come back and die??? Elijah and Enoch being translated about 546 B.C., has nothing to do with the coming rapture.

Some more goofy nonesense just for you. Do you see any resemblance here to someone you know? (How do you keep Justaned in the shower all day? Answer: Give the Justaned a bottle of shampoo which says "lather, rinse, repeat." :lol! :

I have worked you out Justaned. Your the type of person who measures the length of a room by stepping one foot in front of the other, and then uses a micrometer to measure the final remaining space.

Your logic is faulty you claim Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses because they are the only ones that haven't died, pointing to Hebrews 9:27. However there are going to be a lot of people that haven't died first all those taken in the rapture. I understand that is in the future but if Hebrews 9:27 is an unbreakable law and both Enoch and Elijah have to die then how do you explain those taken in rapture? You set the condition everyone has to die from your reading of Hebrews 9:27 all I'm asking is what about the rapture where all living saints will be taken home without tasting death.

It is your logic now support it.
Without the nonsense please.

[titus213]

Quoting Dake at Heb. 9:27
""Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19). This law of death will hold firm for all men until the time of the rapture when the living who are to be translated will not see death (1Cor. 15:51-58 1Th. 4:13-16 Php. 3:21)".

[Justaned]

Quoting Dake at Heb. 9:27
""Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19). This law of death will hold firm for all men until the time of the rapture when the living who are to be translated will not see death (1Cor. 15:51-58 1Th. 4:13-16 Php. 3:21)".

where is that exception stated in scripture or is this an interpretation?

[titus213]

Quoting Dake at Heb. 9:27
""Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19). This law of death will hold firm for all men until the time of the rapture when the living who are to be translated will not see death (1Cor. 15:51-58 1Th. 4:13-16 Php. 3:21)".

where is that exception stated in scripture or is this an interpretation?

Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.

[Justaned]

Quoting Dake at Heb. 9:27
""Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19). This law of death will hold firm for all men until the time of the rapture when the living who are to be translated will not see death (1Cor. 15:51-58 1Th. 4:13-16 Php. 3:21)".

where is that exception stated in scripture or is this an interpretation?

Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.

You missed the point Ironman has said one of the two witnesses of the Tribulation period has to be Enoch because he hadn't died but was taken by God and according to Hebrews 9:27 everyone has to die. Problem is Hebrews was written to combat the false teaching of Reincarnation that was prevalent teaching of the time. It was not to establish the mandate that no one could be taken to heaven without experiencing death.

My question to you was where in scripture does it say there is exceptions to Ironman's interpretation of Hebrew 9:27 that all men must die. What is so foolish about that question your the one that said there is exceptions.

Or it this something scripture doesn't say we just have to assume (interpret)?

[Justaned]

Quoting Dake at Heb. 9:27
""Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:19). This law of death will hold firm for all men until the time of the rapture when the living who are to be translated will not see death (1Cor. 15:51-58 1Th. 4:13-16 Php. 3:21)".

where is that exception stated in scripture or is this an interpretation?

Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.

I guess I could have said if you don't know the answer you don't have to get mad.

[Ironman]

Justaned wrote

"With that logic all that are raptured will have to die also? So those that say they don't want to die but instead go in the rapture are mistaken they will have to die anyhow????"

Sadly, you just don't get it at all. All that are raptured before the Tribulation are not the two olive trees and the two candle sticks standing before the God of the Earth (Rev. 11:4) This with Zech. 4:3; 11L14, shows that two persons are represented. They were standing before God about 546 B.C. when Zechariah prophesised and they were still there when John prophesised about 96 A.D.

Your logic runs like this. An engineer, an architect and Justaned are stranded on a desert island with only one can of baked beans and no can opener. The engineer suggests lighting a fire to heat up the can so that the contents will expand and force the can to open. The architect says the contents would scatter all over the place, so he suggests building a structure around the fire to catch the contents. Justaned says, Lets assume a can opener. You never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption!

You said everyone has to die and I asked about those raptured. And you went off on this goofy nonsense. If you logic can't be supported then just admit it.

Hay, I never said this, God's Word says this;

Hebrews 9:27, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Read this and repent). So, because you don't believe what God has written, your assuming all those who are raptured must come back and die??? Elijah and Enoch being translated about 546 B.C., has nothing to do with the coming rapture.

Some more goofy nonesense just for you. Do you see any resemblance here to someone you know? (How do you keep Justaned in the shower all day? Answer: Give the Justaned a bottle of shampoo which says "lather, rinse, repeat." :lol! :

I have worked you out Justaned. Your the type of person who measures the length of a room by stepping one foot in front of the other, and then uses a micrometer to measure the final remaining space.

Your logic is faulty you claim Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses because they are the only ones that haven't died, pointing to Hebrews 9:27. However there are going to be a lot of people that haven't died first all those taken in the rapture. I understand that is in the future but if Hebrews 9:27 is an unbreakable law and both Enoch and Elijah have to die then how do you explain those taken in rapture? You set the condition everyone has to die from your reading of Hebrews 9:27 all I'm asking is what about the rapture where all living saints will be taken home without tasting death.

It is your logic now support it.
Without the nonsense please.

Ohhh come on MA888888888T, I am being serious, Ok, I will do my best! Here are three more attempts which I hope will assist you in seeing it!

1. Just before the rapture Justaned, is about to buy a new car and is going on a test drive. They, Justaned and the sales person head off for a test drive, Justaned is driving, Justaned has his foot on the gas, the salesperson, by now panicking has his foot on the brake, while Justaned is looking out the back window telling the sales person where they are going and where they have been.

2. Again, last year, just before yesterday two days before tomorrow and three and a half years before the rapture, a woman patient with a patient discount voucher supplied by the Catholic Church attends a physician's office for a physical, and after undergoing a complete physical exam, The physician said, "I have some very grave news for you. You only have six months to live." The patient asked, "Oh no, what should I do?" The physician replied, "Marry Justaned." "Will that make me live longer?" asked the woman. "No," said the physician, "but it will SEEM longer."

3. During the tribulation, a Bible student asks, can anyone tell me how much is three plus three?", a catholic priest will say, add another three and its "666" any remaining ministers on the earth will say, three plus three, without the extra three = "6." The worlds remaining mathematician's will say "We can demonstrate it equals 6 with the following proof . . . . , and many lawyer's will say "it's 6, but with charges it's 12." marketing expert's will say "it depends - are you a buyer or a seller? . . . . . . Justaned will ask the Bible student, "What do you want it to equal and why?"