bibleman wrote:I have built NO box, only restated what GOD HIMSELF said.Justaned wrote:victoryword wrote:So then, are you saying that God lied or that He changed His mind?Justaned wrote: Never said God didn't say that, I simply said read the rest of the story. God never went.....
Either way you have put yourself in a conundrum. If you say He lied then you are accusing HIm of being a liar. If you say that He changed His mind then you are an OPen Theist like me. You really don't want to be like me now do you? Sadly, you only have one other option and it is quite a scary one to me
I'm only saying what scripture says. You and Bibleman built the box you put God into you deal with how to handle it.
Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)
If you have a problem with that then your problem is with GOD not with me.
The box you built and are totally aware you built it was implication that God only have rumors and didn't really know what was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah thus disproving His Omniscience. That God being Omnipresent had to stop all come down to earth personally and view what was going on for HImself before he would know for sure.
Where is God's Omniscience, Omnipresence in your interpretation of the this story?