Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Did Peter lose his salvation?

[Justaned]

No, Scripture backs this up, How ever there must be true repentance when one sins, But I agree with you in the fact that if a Christian wants to sin then there must be something wrong, maybe he has walked away from his faith even before the premeditated sin has happened.

That is exactly what I'm saying. To willfully and deliberately sin one has to walk away from his faith.

[Rocky]

No, Scripture backs this up, How ever there must be true repentance when one sins, But I agree with you in the fact that if a Christian wants to sin then there must be something wrong, maybe he has walked away from his faith even before the premeditated sin has happened.

That is exactly what I'm saying. To willfully and deliberately sin one has to walk away from his faith.

I know that what you are saying here. But you also have said a true Christian will not do this, I say a true Christian can because of the the free will. Also What we differ on is the fact that if is this happens, I believe one can come back. Am I advocating sin? God forbid, I am advocating if a true Christian loses his salvation he come come back to the lord.

[Justaned]

No, Scripture backs this up, How ever there must be true repentance when one sins, But I agree with you in the fact that if a Christian wants to sin then there must be something wrong, maybe he has walked away from his faith even before the premeditated sin has happened.

That is exactly what I'm saying. To willfully and deliberately sin one has to walk away from his faith.

I know that what you are saying here. But you also have said a true Christian will not do this, I say a true Christian can because of the the free will. Also What we differ on is the fact that if is this happens, I believe one can come back. Am I advocating sin? God forbid, I am advocating if a true Christian loses his salvation he come come back to the lord.

Rocky don't you think that walking into and out of salvation concept cheapens salvation? It is like being fickle. Today I want to be Christian so Jesus is Lord of my life and I live following Christ. Tomorrow ah I don't care about Christ, Christianity or of Jesus being Lord so I do what I want. Next day or a week, month, year decade whatever later, ah I was wrong I want to be a Christian so I'm sorry forgive me and Jesus you Lord of my life. Then sometime later ah Jesus you really aren't Lord of my life I'm going back to the world. OH wow that was a mistake Jesus forgive me I want you to be Lord of my life. and on and on it goes.

Was Jesus ever really Lord?

Christianity is likened to being a bond servant bought for a price. In days of old when people got into debt they sold their service until their debt was paid. The person allowed the person that was paying their debt to become their LORD. From that point on did they have free will? Could that say hey I don't care about this debt I'm going fishing. Then come running back and say I was wrong forgive me you are my Lord again. Then turn around and say I don't care about your fields what about mine? I'm going to tend to my fields.Then come running back and say I sorry forgive me pay my debt. Only to leave again and come back and to leave and come back on and on. Do you really think the person paying their debt was ever their Lord? Is what do you see that they did that showed that relationship?

Isn't this a lot like Christians, saying Jesus is Lord right up until He gives them something to do. Like resist this sin and they say not today this sin looks especially good I see you tomorrow. Is Jesus really Lord or was he Lord as long as it didn't cost them anything?

[Justaned]

If so how did you get around Jesus to sin.

I went back into sin, this process is different for ever body. It does star with being drawn away by ones own lust. This can happen by not praying like you should, not reading your bible daily, hanging out with the wrong crowed as a baby Christian, A lot of things can play into this. You are a pastor and you don't know how to teach people how to stay in the faith? Do you just tell them a real Christian won't loose their faith? Wow!

If you had the Holy Spirit within you screaming conviction at you as you planned your sin how did you over come him.

We have Free will

Rocky
Let us go at this way. Let us just say you were saved and Jesus was Lord of your life. When I asked how did you get around Jesus you said it doesn't start with being drawn away by ones own lust. That is can happen by not praying, or not reading your bible daily, or hanging out with the wrong crowd. Let me ask did you drift into sin or did you drift out of allowing Jesus to be Lord of your life? In fact isn't it true when you started to actual sin you were no longer a Christian, Jesus was not Lord in you life, you had in effect rejected Jesus long before this? Isn't that more the case then one going to bed a bible believing Christian you woke up and went into intentional deliberate sin?

[Rocky]

Ed: Rocky
Let me ask did you drift into sin or did you drift out of allowing Jesus to be Lord of your life?

I am sorry brother,That question does not make a lot of sense to me or I don't understand it.

Ed: In fact isn't it true when you started to actual sin you were no longer a Christian, Jesus was not Lord in you life, you had in effect rejected Jesus long before this? Isn't that more the case then one going to bed a bible believing Christian you woke up and went into intentional deliberate sin?

Ok I think get what you are saying, no I did not go to bed as a Christian and wake up a backslider, it was gradual in a way.

[branham1965]

after a Meeting once Brother Branham met two men who spoke in tongues interpreted,danced and the like.
when he met the first he was shown that the man was a very fine genuine Christian.

later the second came up to him.he was shown the man was a terrible hypocrite.he was carrying on with another woman in town and was a vile hypocrite.

he never said anything.he was just shown this by the Lord.

he saw an old black Preacher get in the Pulpit.he seemed feeble and Brother thought how is he going to Preach???
this old timer got in the Pulpit announced his text ...then he jumped up in the air kicked his heels together and he shouted Yipeeeeeeeee!!!
and then the Lord moved on the old black Preacher ..he said this Pulpit aint big enough for me .he jumped off it and Preached like he was 25.

[branham1965]

Reverend Dake says "he was lost because he refused to be saved;lost through his own avarice and stubborness to come back to Christ even after his crime ." the Dake Reference Bible (Reverend Dake called it that)
page 115 note e.

His notes on Hebrews 6 and 10 and 12 from the Dake Reference Bible show conclusively that as page 252 note e shows ...."as long as backsliders retain faith in Christ and His atonement he can be renewed to repentance but if he totally rejects Christ and His gospel he becomes hopeless."

my late Pastor taught these things.and i know he used the Dake Bible.