Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Did Peter lose his salvation?

[Justaned]

I have NOT read that anywhere in the Bible.

And you won't because it is not in there. But if you will read you bible you will see how precious salvation is. It cost God the life of His only Begotten Son. It cost Jesus everything, he had to endure pain, suffering, humiliation, betrayal, and shame. I would think anyone would see something that cost so much as being precious.

[bibleman]

I have NOT read that anywhere in the Bible.

And you won't because it is not in there. But if you will read you bible you will see how precious salvation is. It cost God the life of His only Begotten Son. It cost Jesus everything, he had to endure pain, suffering, humiliation, betrayal, and shame. I would think anyone would see something that cost so much as being precious.

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your honesty.

So when you said: "Scripture says our salvation is precious and is to be cherished. Not tossed around like a nickel."

You were not stating the truth as you now admit.

I have noticed that about your postings... you say a lot of things that are not in the Bible!

[Justaned]

I have NOT read that anywhere in the Bible.

And you won't because it is not in there. But if you will read you bible you will see how precious salvation is. It cost God the life of His only Begotten Son. It cost Jesus everything, he had to endure pain, suffering, humiliation, betrayal, and shame. I would think anyone would see something that cost so much as being precious.

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your honesty.

So when you said: "Scripture says our salvation is precious and is to be cherished. Not tossed around like a nickel."

You were not stating the truth as you now admit.

I have noticed that about your postings... you say a lot of things that are not in the Bible!

Are you denying our salvation is precious? Are you denying we should not think cheaply of it.
What is your problem with what I said? Yes it isn't in the bible never said it was. So what is your point?

[branham1965]

REVED
WE ARE IN A BETTER COVENANT WITH BETTER PROMISES .
PAUL SAYS OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT SUPPOSE YE SHALL HE the backslider BE THOUGHT WORTHY WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD AND HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING, AND HATH DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE....
REVEREND ANGLEY SAID MANY TIMES PEOPLE TODAY MISUNDERSTAND THE NEW COVENANT AND THE OLD COVENANT.WE ARE IN GRACE TODAY SO WE ARE FREE TO LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL.NOT SO.
HE SAID GOD IS A GOD OF LOVE.AND GOD TOLD HIM HE CAN HATE JUST AS MUCH AS HE CAN LOVE.AND THAT THOSE WHO WILL NOT PREACH ON THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD NEED TO LEAVE THEIR PULPIT.

HE HAS ONE HAND OF MERCY,GRACE,AND LOVE.

ITS ALL BECAUSE OF CALVARY.

BUT THE OTHER HAND IS ONE OF JUDGEMENT.

I have NOT read that anywhere in the Bible.

And you won't because it is not in there. But if you will read you bible you will see how precious salvation is. It cost God the life of His only Begotten Son. It cost Jesus everything, he had to endure pain, suffering, humiliation, betrayal, and shame. I would think anyone would see something that cost so much as being precious.

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your honesty.

So when you said: "Scripture says our salvation is precious and is to be cherished. Not tossed around like a nickel."

You were not stating the truth as you now admit.

I have noticed that about your postings... you say a lot of things that are not in the Bible!

Are you denying our salvation is precious? Are you denying we should not think cheaply of it.
What is your problem with what I said? Yes it isn't in the bible never said it was. So what is your point?

[Justaned]

Billy
That is a good word! Our salvation was bought with an extreme price an we should treasure and cherish it and never jeopardize it, but sadly that is not the message most often preached. Too many are taught that our precious salvation is a cheap commodity, one not really worth treasuring or holding on since it is so easy to regain it. Just repent and ask forgiveness that will cover a multitude of sins. How very very sad

Then we have people quick to tell how they were saved, then spit in the face of Jesus their savior and live like they wanted and Jesus forgave them so they can do it over and over without fear of eternal damnation.

REVED
WE ARE IN A BETTER COVENANT WITH BETTER PROMISES .
PAUL SAYS OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT SUPPOSE YE SHALL HE the backslider BE THOUGHT WORTHY WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD AND HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING, AND HATH DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE....
REVEREND ANGLEY SAID MANY TIMES PEOPLE TODAY MISUNDERSTAND THE NEW COVENANT AND THE OLD COVENANT.WE ARE IN GRACE TODAY SO WE ARE FREE TO LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL.NOT SO.
HE SAID GOD IS A GOD OF LOVE.AND GOD TOLD HIM HE CAN HATE JUST AS MUCH AS HE CAN LOVE.AND THAT THOSE WHO WILL NOT PREACH ON THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD NEED TO LEAVE THEIR PULPIT.

HE HAS ONE HAND OF MERCY,GRACE,AND LOVE.

ITS ALL BECAUSE OF CALVARY.

BUT THE OTHER HAND IS ONE OF JUDGEMENT.

I have NOT read that anywhere in the Bible.

And you won't because it is not in there. But if you will read you bible you will see how precious salvation is. It cost God the life of His only Begotten Son. It cost Jesus everything, he had to endure pain, suffering, humiliation, betrayal, and shame. I would think anyone would see something that cost so much as being precious.

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your honesty.

So when you said: "Scripture says our salvation is precious and is to be cherished. Not tossed around like a nickel."

You were not stating the truth as you now admit.

I have noticed that about your postings... you say a lot of things that are not in the Bible!

Are you denying our salvation is precious? Are you denying we should not think cheaply of it.
What is your problem with what I said? Yes it isn't in the bible never said it was. So what is your point?

[Rocky]

It is only double talk to people that are trying to trip me up.

How is quoting what you say trying to trip you up?

I don't think I basing my whole theology on "these" verses as you call them. I'm simply saying, the church has invented something that is basically OSAS.

I am not defending OSAS.

Sure you are not always saved but in effect you are all you have to do is sin and say your sorry and you are saved again. I'm saying that is nonsense. Scripture says it is nonsense.

No, Scripture backs this up, How ever there must be true repentance when one sins, But I agree with you in the fact that if a Christian wants to sin then there must be something wrong, maybe he has walked away from his faith even before the premeditated sin has happened.

[Rocky]

I'm not suggesting that Christians never sin, I am saying true Christians don't willfully set out to sin, and if someone claiming to be a christian sets out to sin there is something wrong.

I agree

As a Chrisitian we are to make Jesus Lord of our lives. If Jesus is Lord then where does this willful sin come from? Are you suggesting that Jesus is only part time?

No, I a claiming some do backslide, and even some may come back to the lord with a truly repentive heart..

We are also told the Holy Spirit that dwells within us convicts of sin. If we are willfully and deliberately sinning where is the Holy Spirit and what are we doing about His conviction?

If someone walks away in goes back into sin the conscience gets sheared and convictions and warnings the conviction will leave or it is ignored. The more you ignore God's instruction it seem God will be like, we'll have at it, have it your way then. God even did this with Israel many times in the old testament. Ed if you want to understand backsliding study God's relationship with Israel. That may give you some insight since you have never experienced this yourself. Believe me I know looking back I remember getting convicted but ignoring it, and falling further and further away until I found my self eating slop with the pigs so to speak.

Tell me since you claim to have been a Christian and then entered into sin, was Jesus Lord in you life?

Absolutely, for three years. I know some that were saved for more than 20 years and backslid and came back, I know even pastors who this has happen to.

If so how did you get around Jesus to sin.

I went back into sin, this process is different for ever body. It does star with being drawn away by ones own lust. This can happen by not praying like you should, not reading your bible daily, hanging out with the wrong crowed as a baby Christian, A lot of things can play into this. You are a pastor and you don't know how to teach people how to stay in the faith? Do you just tell them a real Christian won't loose their faith? Wow!

If you had the Holy Spirit within you screaming conviction at you as you planned your sin how did you over come him.

We have Free will

[Rocky]

When did you stop making Jesus Lord of your life? I explained this al ready.

What did Jesus say when you did that

God allowed me to make my own decisions , sadly

Is Jesus in fact Lord of your life now, in practice of just in word only?

rhetorical question, but of course.Just as much as he was the lord of my life then. Accept back then I did not understand free will.

Here is the thing Rocky I'm a christian and I sin from time to time, if someone pulls out in front of me and I call him a * head and wish he would die a slow death that is sin but I don't believe I have lost my salvation over that

Well nor do, accept you wanting him to die a slow death, Jesus said forgive so the you can be forgiven.

However I likewise believe I could not intentionally plan and execute a bank hold up without being so convicted that I would stop

Well you could ignore the Holy Spirit, and do it if yo wanted to.

If I didn't stop I would question how I as able to over come the Jesus and the Holy Spirit enough to throw down my new creation and pick up my old. I don't think I could. However I have no way of finding out because I don't intend to rob a bank. If Jesus is Lord I just don't see how someone goes against that

I believe you need to understand Free moral agency. God will alow you to sin if you really want to, He will even allow you to walk away from that is Free will.

[Justaned]

However I likewise believe I could not intentionally plan and execute a bank hold up without being so convicted that I would stop

Well you could ignore the Holy Spirit, and do it if yo wanted to.

If I didn't stop I would question how I as able to over come the Jesus and the Holy Spirit enough to throw down my new creation and pick up my old. I don't think I could. However I have no way of finding out because I don't intend to rob a bank. If Jesus is Lord I just don't see how someone goes against that

I believe you need to understand Free moral agency. God will alow you to sin if you really want to, He will even allow you to walk away from that is Free will.[/quote]


Rocky
Your answer is you could if you wanted to. My response is why would a Christian want to? I think this is where you and I differ. I don't look at what I'm capable of doing outside of God and apparently you do or at least once did. To me that makes no sense if you fully understand what salvation is what it offers I can think of nothing in the world that I would trade that for.
I think I understand being a free moral agent means. But I also understand responsibility and realizing my actions cause consequences. Once a person told me "Sin will take me further than I want to go, cost me more than I want to pay and keep me longer than I want to stay." I don't need to test that I believe that.

It is like the warning of addiction. People tell me one use of certain drug will addict me for life. I don't have to challenge that I simply believe and have no urge to try it. I know I can but I like to believe I am smart enough not to, but most importantly I have both Jesus and Holy Spirit telling me NO! So the choice I have is take back the Lordship of my life that I gave to Jesus that I believe is what being saved is all about or continue to allow Jesus to be my LORD therefore I must listen to Him not my own stupid desires.

[Justaned]

If someone walks away in goes back into sin the conscience gets sheared and convictions and warnings the conviction will leave or it is ignored. The more you ignore God's instruction it seem God will be like, we'll have at it, have it your way then. God even did this with Israel many times in the old testament. Ed if you want to understand backsliding study God's relationship with Israel. That may give you some insight since you have never experienced this yourself. Believe me I know looking back I remember getting convicted but ignoring it, and falling further and further away until I found my self eating slop with the pigs so to speak.

I think I understand backslidding and I did so by reading about Israel. But there is a major difference they never had Jesus in them nor did they have the Holy Spirit. See you are taking a situation which was very common in Israel's time (backsliding) and applying the concept to New Testament saints (you won't find the word backslide in the New Testament)
And the reason you can't do that is things are different. First to be in Christ you must have Christ in you. He must be Lord of your life. The old testament had nothing like that. If Jesus is really Lord of your life then you mind shouldn't be going to where sin lives. If you mind is still going to where sin lives Jesus isn't Lord of your life.
I think this is what is missing. For Jesus to be Lord it must be more than just lip service. In effect you must become so heavenly minded you are of no earthly good if that be possible, which it isn't.