Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Being Born Again - Again!

[victoryword]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

Excellent points

[Justaned]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

[bibleman]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

[Rocky]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

Hmm may be he would say, come up here and get saved unless you have sinned willfully because you cant come back to the lord if you did

[Justaned]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

First you answer my question

[Justaned]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

Hmm may be he would say, come up here and get saved unless you have sinned willfully because you cant come back to the lord if you did

As I have said many times in the past if someone still worried about salvation they have not passed the point of no return. When a person no longer cares they have passed the point.

[Rocky]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

Hmm may be he would say, come up here and get saved unless you have sinned willfully because you cant come back to the lord if you did

As I have said many times in the past if someone still worried about salvation they have not passed the point of no return. When a person no longer cares they have passed the point.

Oh "no return"? I thought you said a real Christian wont backslide or something? How can they return to something they never had?

[Justaned]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.

do you ever get he same people coming up week after week?
What is the difference between that that keep coming up week after week and Once Save Always Saved crowd?

Hi Ed,

How would you give the altar call then?

Hmm may be he would say, come up here and get saved unless you have sinned willfully because you cant come back to the lord if you did

As I have said many times in the past if someone still worried about salvation they have not passed the point of no return. When a person no longer cares they have passed the point.

Oh "no return"? I thought you said a real Christian wont backslide or something? How can they return to something they never had?

What happens when the heart is hardened? The person is at the place of no return. Return from what from the world and sin. We can either serve Jesus or the world and sin. One or the other is our master our Lord. If Jesus is our Lord then willful and deliberate sin isn't.

[Rocky]

What happens when the heart is hardened? The person is at the place of no return. Return from what from the world and sin. We can either serve Jesus or the world and sin. One or the other is our master our Lord. If Jesus is our Lord then willful and deliberate sin isn't.

So then what is the person returning to if he did not have it in the first place. I feel like I am getting double talked to death here. I am going to put some Billy smilies up lol

[Justaned]

What happens when the heart is hardened? The person is at the place of no return. Return from what from the world and sin. We can either serve Jesus or the world and sin. One or the other is our master our Lord. If Jesus is our Lord then willful and deliberate sin isn't.

So then what is the person returning to if he did not have it in the first place. I feel like I am getting double talked to death here. I am going to put some Billy smilies up lol

Rocky you aren't getting double talked. We were made to be perfect beings, to live in the presence of God. We as humans once did, but then we allowed sin to enter into us and we left home so to speak. Prodigal son is a perfect representation of that, we had it good so good we didn't know it, the grass looked greener on the other side of the fence so we packed up and left home. After we sampled all the fruit of this world we found none satisfied him like the fruit our father feed us. So we went back home. But God our gracious father didn't receive us outcasts but rather as members of His family which we were. Our brother that perhaps never went into sin as much as us got mad. I have served you since my youth and not once did you celebrate my being but now my brother the went and lived like the world, blew through everything he had, learned the hard truth that there was nothing of value out there comes back home and you get excited and throw a party. That is not fair.