Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Being Born Again - Again!

[bibleman]

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

[branham1965]

Pastor,

i think that he was right on this.


then why does Jude say TWICE DEAD plucked up by the roots???

now like with my post on the Old Testament and the Spirit infilling....im giving my views.BUT i freely admit that i may be wrong about these things.im not a scholar.only a layman.
i cannot and am not worthy to fuss with Reverend Finis Jennings Dake.
i know its perceived as being weak or gutless or worse of all confused...by some but i dont see it that way.if one is poor in spirit they can learn.if one is a know it all
one can get very dogmatic and close out even hearing any other scholars or viewpoints.
ill be frank there are people i believe ...who i think are wrong on certain things...some things they are in the ditch about certain preachers etc.etc.
and if one is perceived to be "not on the team "ones posts are ignored and so on.
i think this is wrong.
i need to view those videos.i have not done it before because i was on the other team.so you see i know that i can miss it and make mistakes.i certainly have on here.and off here.i wish i could fly away sometimes....

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

[Justaned]

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Was the son born again or was he like Adam then lost and then saved?

Prodigal son I believe is the story of man, wrought by sin in the garden. We were once God's children but Adam sinned and that sin separated us from God so we learn better and come back to God just as a the prodigal son came back.
I see the brothers reaction as being similar to many Christians that see a guy that murdered their loved one and then gets saved. They say how is that fair I have been with you and you never gave me a party but this chump you throw a party for.

Romans 11:19 is definitely talking of the Jew and they were never born again under Christ.

James never suggests the man is saved, or deliberately sinned only that if we see a brother in sin. Who is our brother, is that not asking who is my neighbor?

So I don't see any contradiction in these and Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10

[bibleman]

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Was the son born again or was he like Adam then lost and then saved?

Prodigal son I believe is the story of man, wrought by sin in the garden. We were once God's children but Adam sinned and that sin separated us from God so we learn better and come back to God just as a the prodigal son came back.
I see the brothers reaction as being similar to many Christians that see a guy that murdered their loved one and then gets saved. They say how is that fair I have been with you and you never gave me a party but this chump you throw a party for.

Romans 11:19 is definitely talking of the Jew and they were never born again under Christ.

James never suggests the man is saved, or deliberately sinned only that if we see a brother in sin. Who is our brother, is that not asking who is my neighbor?

So I don't see any contradiction in these and Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10

Hi Ed,

So could we say that you disagree with Dake and the Bible AGAIN!

(3) James taught a conversion again after one had backslidden: “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” What could be more clear than this, that when saved men commit sin they are sinners again and have to be saved from sin and death again, or experience eternal “death”? (Jas. 5:19-20).
Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 427.

[branham1965]

Those quotes to me settle it.
when i first read the notes on Galatians 4:19 can a man be born again more than once

he proves by the Bible that we CAN BE BORN AGAIN MORE THAN ONCE.i thought hes right.it upends my thinking but he is right.
Reverend Dake being from Missouri could show anyone the truth for sure.

[Justaned]

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Was the son born again or was he like Adam then lost and then saved?

Prodigal son I believe is the story of man, wrought by sin in the garden. We were once God's children but Adam sinned and that sin separated us from God so we learn better and come back to God just as a the prodigal son came back.
I see the brothers reaction as being similar to many Christians that see a guy that murdered their loved one and then gets saved. They say how is that fair I have been with you and you never gave me a party but this chump you throw a party for.

Romans 11:19 is definitely talking of the Jew and they were never born again under Christ.

James never suggests the man is saved, or deliberately sinned only that if we see a brother in sin. Who is our brother, is that not asking who is my neighbor?

So I don't see any contradiction in these and Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10

Hi Ed,

So could we say that you disagree with Dake and the Bible AGAIN!

(3) James taught a conversion again after one had backslidden: “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” What could be more clear than this, that when saved men commit sin they are sinners again and have to be saved from sin and death again, or experience eternal “death”? (Jas. 5:19-20).
Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 427.

Does the verse say you have converteth a Christian from the error of his way. His way would be following Jesus if he was a Christian would it not. No! is says you have converteth the sinner from the error of his way, his way the path that leads to hell.
Yes nothing could be more clear a sinner that is saved from sin and death has been saved from sin. But you are saying that is not true he will still sin and still never to be saved and then sin and need to be saved, and then sin and need to be saved. In effect to all a born again believer is someone that sins and says their sorry. There is no change in behavior only in the saying I'm sorry.

[Rocky]

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Was the son born again or was he like Adam then lost and then saved?

Prodigal son I believe is the story of man, wrought by sin in the garden. We were once God's children but Adam sinned and that sin separated us from God so we learn better and come back to God just as a the prodigal son came back.
I see the brothers reaction as being similar to many Christians that see a guy that murdered their loved one and then gets saved. They say how is that fair I have been with you and you never gave me a party but this chump you throw a party for.

Romans 11:19 is definitely talking of the Jew and they were never born again under Christ.

James never suggests the man is saved, or deliberately sinned only that if we see a brother in sin. Who is our brother, is that not asking who is my neighbor?

So I don't see any contradiction in these and Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10

Hi Ed,

So could we say that you disagree with Dake and the Bible AGAIN!

(3) James taught a conversion again after one had backslidden: “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” What could be more clear than this, that when saved men commit sin they are sinners again and have to be saved from sin and death again, or experience eternal “death”? (Jas. 5:19-20).
Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 427.

Does the verse say you have converteth a Christian from the error of his way. His way would be following Jesus if he was a Christian would it not. No! is says you have converteth the sinner from the error of his way, his way the path that leads to hell.
Yes nothing could be more clear a sinner that is saved from sin and death has been saved from sin. But you are saying that is not true he will still sin and still never to be saved and then sin and need to be saved, and then sin and need to be saved. In effect to all a born again believer is someone that sins and says their sorry. There is no change in behavior only in the saying I'm sorry.

Ed it says "if any of you do err from the truth" You have to be in or apart of something before you can err from it..

[branham1965]

amen Rocky.

Some mistakenly teach that a person cannot be born again a second time.

14. Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

This question is like having to answer whether a man once lost in the woods was really lost, or having been found, could ever be lost again; or, still, having been lost again, could he ever be found again? Or, if a man was ever saved from drowning in a lake, could it be possible that he could again fall into the lake and drown? Such questions as these are answered by common sense, as well as the Bible. Anyone knows it is possible that anything can be lost and found many times.

Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 426.

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Was the son born again or was he like Adam then lost and then saved?

Prodigal son I believe is the story of man, wrought by sin in the garden. We were once God's children but Adam sinned and that sin separated us from God so we learn better and come back to God just as a the prodigal son came back.
I see the brothers reaction as being similar to many Christians that see a guy that murdered their loved one and then gets saved. They say how is that fair I have been with you and you never gave me a party but this chump you throw a party for.

Romans 11:19 is definitely talking of the Jew and they were never born again under Christ.

James never suggests the man is saved, or deliberately sinned only that if we see a brother in sin. Who is our brother, is that not asking who is my neighbor?

So I don't see any contradiction in these and Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10

Hi Ed,

So could we say that you disagree with Dake and the Bible AGAIN!

(3) James taught a conversion again after one had backslidden: “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” What could be more clear than this, that when saved men commit sin they are sinners again and have to be saved from sin and death again, or experience eternal “death”? (Jas. 5:19-20).
Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 427.

Does the verse say you have converteth a Christian from the error of his way. His way would be following Jesus if he was a Christian would it not. No! is says you have converteth the sinner from the error of his way, his way the path that leads to hell.
Yes nothing could be more clear a sinner that is saved from sin and death has been saved from sin. But you are saying that is not true he will still sin and still never to be saved and then sin and need to be saved, and then sin and need to be saved. In effect to all a born again believer is someone that sins and says their sorry. There is no change in behavior only in the saying I'm sorry.

Ed it says if any of you do err from the truth you have to be in or apart of something before you err from it..

[victoryword]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

[bibleman]

I used to struggle with Dake's teaching on this when I first began reading his books back in the early 90s. But technically speaking the Bible does teach that sin brings forth DEATH and a person can be given back life when they re-connect themselves to the life source, which the BIble also plainly teaches.

So, I suppose the problem all along was mine and not Dake. However, I still have a hard time giving an altar call to ask backsliders to be born again. I often have a seperate altar call for the unsaved (those who have NEVER) given their lives to Christ) and another for those who have walked away from Christ and want to return. While we have prayed the so-called "sinner's prayer" with lots of people over the years, it seems the ones that I have actually been able to keep are those who "backslid".

How do you pastors and evangelists handle these things based on your understanding of Dake's teaching?

Well...

In the Altar call I am not going into doctrine or theology. My purpose is to get people (in what ever state they think they are in saved or backslidden) right with God.

So I usually cal for people who have never been saved... and those who have been saved but have sin in their lives.

Either way, makes no difference ot me at that time - I am just wanting them to make things right with God by confessing their sins and receiving God's forgiveness.