Hi Justaned,Justaned wrote:RockyRocky wrote:But would not that be trying to judge someone's motives or faith. The other stuff you have addressedJustaned wrote:The problem with many people's faith is what they hope for is worldly and not spiritual. What they seek is of this world and not of heaven. What they believe is what their flesh desires not God spiritual realities.
I already gave scripture on that and you just dismiss it. To me and I may be wrong, you seem to have this aversion to faith. Why? I use to think like you do about the word of faith movement and those that teach faith as Kenneth Hagin and Finis Dake did until I started applying the principles I was taught and saw that God started to move in things. I even repentaned to God for doubting his Word. Remember Even Paul wrote Call things that aren't as though they were when he was teaching on faith in Romans chapter 4. And concerning Abraham he wrote He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; and Even Jesus said but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Also Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. These are simple scriptures Ed. I know you may not like them and might even dismiss them or explain them away, But they are true
Somehow you have missed what I have been saying. Rocky I very much believe in faith and I have seen God move in my life and the life of others in a mighty and powerful ways. I live by faith or more correctly by my trust in God. And yes the scriptures you have quoted are faith scriptures and I don't dismiss them.
What I do, is I do not take god's faith scriptures beyond where God ended them.
Most faith teachers are 99% percent correct in their teaching on faith. It is the 1% that I object too.
When they suggest God "must" or they teach God "has to" that I object to. I also object when they invent formulas that God must "respond" to. I further object when they invent reasons why faith did not occur as they suggested it must.
They blame everything but their lousy teaching. They blame sin, lack of faith, doubt and etc. And yes these all hinder faith but God is sovereign and does things in His perfect time to accomplish His purpose. In other words it is God that runs things not our faith.
So no I don't lack faith, In fact my faith has been tested and proven many many many times. God's goodness has been shown to me many many many times. I have been healed, I have been given my heart's desire and I have seen prayers many prayers answered. I do not question faith at all. What I question is the lousy teaching some expound in the name of faith teaching.
Most importantly my faith in God not in my faith.
Above you said: "I live by faith or more correctly by my trust in God."
I disagree that living by trust in God is MORE correct that living by faith!
(Hab 2:4) "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith."
(Rom 1:17) "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
(Gal 3:11) "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."
(Heb 10:38) "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."
How many passages do you have that tell us to live by trust in God?
