Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ What is faith?

[Justaned]

REVED
im sorry for hurting you or any WOF brothers. VW,Rocky and Chris...though i wasnt throwin' any of these snowballs at Chris at all ....

all apologies.

Billy
No problem on my part and I love you brother.

[Ironman]

Take a step back and see the little people
There's nothin there but the words that make the big people big
So listen, as they whisper;
"What about me? ..."

Now we're standin' on the corner of a world gone home
Nobody's changed, nobody's been saved
And I'm feelin' cold and alone
I guess I'm lucky, I smile a lot
But sometimes I wish for more than I've got...
"What About me, it isn't fair
I've had enough now I want my share
Can't you see? I wanna live!
But you just take more - What about me?!
It isn't fair!
I've had enough now I want my share!
Can't you see? I wanna live!
But you just take more,
You just take more,
You just take more than you give...

What about me?
What about me?
What about me?

[Justaned]

Could we say if God didn't want people to sin there would be no sin in the world?

Why then would any Christian say if God wanted no sickness on the the planet He'd get rid of all the sicknesses (their manifestation) Himself making it disappear?

Then I guess we have to rip Luke 1:37 (NKJV)
37 For with God nothing will be impossible."
from our Bibles.

If God is truly sovereign and He has declared that to be true and if nothing is impossible with Him even from creating the earth. Then why can't God if He willed wipe out all sickness?

[Ironman]

He has mate.

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5),

only many dont know it and most dont believe it, so it doesnt happen for them?

[victoryword]

He has mate.

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5),

only many dont know it and most dont believe it, so it doesnt happen for them?

Now THAT was a good point

[frad70]

God in His sovereignty decided to give us free will. We may sin or refrain from sinning. If we do sin it is not His will even if it does happen. He also made it possible for us to be ill or healthy but only the second option is His will for us. If everything that happens is His will Jesus was wrong telling us to pray for our Father's will to happen on earth.

[branham1965]

THAT APOLOGY IS NO GOOD.THIS TOTALLY EXPUNGES YOU FROM ANY GUILT.THATS NO APOLOGY SIR.

Rocky's comments about me are insulting. Victorywords are equally insulting. Yet it is "others" and myself that are blamed for hurling insults. Does that make even a little sense to anyone? If so I would like you to tell we how.

I sincerely apologize for offending you Ed.

Both you and Rocky has apologized and I thank you both. Now that we have all apologized let us move up to a higher road.
One that glorifies God in all we say and all that we do.

Let's make one thing clear though: I only apologize because you were offended. I have no regrets for anything that I have said. The truth is, you do ignore Scripture for your own opinions and there is no getting past that part until you acknowledge it.

[branham1965]

FRAD70 I DONT CARE IF AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN GALATIANS 1 MADE THAT QUOTE ITS FALSE DOCTRINE.FALSE DOCTRINE!!!!
I LOVED DAD HAGIN.
I WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT.

WHO WANTS THE CHILD OF GOD AWAY FROM THE CROSS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE DIVINE BLOOD AND BLOOD STRIPES OF JESUS!!!!????? THE DEVIL DOES!!!!
THE CROSS OF CALVARY WAS THE PLACE IT WAS FINISHED!!!!!!CALVARY IS THE ONLY HOPE AND PRAYER FOR ANYONE.AND ANYONE TEACHING THAT REDEMPTION WAS PURCHASED ANYWHERE ELSE IS TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE.ROMANS.COL 2 ,EPH 2 THE BOOK OF HEBREWS.

WHY DID THE GREAT REVEREND DAKE REJECT THAT THEORY 100%%

BROTHER SWAGGART HAS BEEN TEACHING THE CROSS.EVEN FRANKLIN GRAHAM CALLED AND PRAISED THE GOOD BROTHER FOR TEACHING IT.

WE PC WOF FOLKS WILL NEVER FORGIVE JIMMY SWAGGART.IVE SEEN HIM WEEP.CRY.THE SPIRIT WAS THERE.YOU THINK PC WOF PEOPLE FORGIVE HIM??????NEVER.
BUT WE WANT ALL KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE FAIL.
ALOT OF US .. ...HAVE A SHOCK COMING WHEN THE THE ONE FLIGHT OUT TAKES PLACE.
"WHO IS SHE THAT COMETH FORTH AS THE MORNING???FEROCIOUS AS AN ARMY WITH BANNERS!!!SHE IS SAMSON WITH HER POWER BACK.SHE IS THE THREE HEBREW BOYS IN THE FIERY FURNACE THEY DIDNT BOW SO THEY DIDNT BURN,SHE IS DANIEL IN THE DEN OF LIONS AND THE MORNINGS ABOUT TO COME AND THE BRIDE IS COMING UP OUT OF THE DEN OF LIONS OH HALLELUJAH ...HOW WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!HOW MIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
one could have heard a hat pin drop in that big Holy Cathedral when Reverend Ernest Angley preached that sermon "One Drop Of Mercy."

God in His sovereignty decided to give us free will. We may sin or refrain from sinning. If we do sin it is not His will even if it does happen. He also made it possible for us to be ill or healthy but only the second option is His will for us. If everything that happens is His will Jesus was wrong telling us to pray for our Father's will to happen on earth.

[Rocky]

The problem with many people's faith is what they hope for is worldly and not spiritual. What they seek is of this world and not of heaven. What they believe is what their flesh desires not God spiritual realities.

But would not that be trying to judge someone's motives or faith. The other stuff you have addressed
I already gave scripture on that and you just dismiss it. To me and I may be wrong, you seem to have this aversion to faith. Why? I use to think like you do about the word of faith movement and those that teach faith as Kenneth Hagin and Finis Dake did until I started applying the principles I was taught and saw that God started to move in things. I even repentaned to God for doubting his Word. Remember Even Paul wrote Call things that aren't as though they were when he was teaching on faith in Romans chapter 4. And concerning Abraham he wrote He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; and Even Jesus said but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Also Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. These are simple scriptures Ed. I know you may not like them and might even dismiss them or explain them away, But they are true

[Justaned]

The problem with many people's faith is what they hope for is worldly and not spiritual. What they seek is of this world and not of heaven. What they believe is what their flesh desires not God spiritual realities.

But would not that be trying to judge someone's motives or faith. The other stuff you have addressed
I already gave scripture on that and you just dismiss it. To me and I may be wrong, you seem to have this aversion to faith. Why? I use to think like you do about the word of faith movement and those that teach faith as Kenneth Hagin and Finis Dake did until I started applying the principles I was taught and saw that God started to move in things. I even repentaned to God for doubting his Word. Remember Even Paul wrote Call things that aren't as though they were when he was teaching on faith in Romans chapter 4. And concerning Abraham he wrote He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; and Even Jesus said but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Also Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. These are simple scriptures Ed. I know you may not like them and might even dismiss them or explain them away, But they are true

Rocky
Somehow you have missed what I have been saying. Rocky I very much believe in faith and I have seen God move in my life and the life of others in a mighty and powerful ways. I live by faith or more correctly by my trust in God. And yes the scriptures you have quoted are faith scriptures and I don't dismiss them.

What I do, is I do not take god's faith scriptures beyond where God ended them.

Most faith teachers are 99% percent correct in their teaching on faith. It is the 1% that I object too.

When they suggest God "must" or they teach God "has to" that I object to. I also object when they invent formulas that God must "respond" to. I further object when they invent reasons why faith did not occur as they suggested it must.

They blame everything but their lousy teaching. They blame sin, lack of faith, doubt and etc. And yes these all hinder faith but God is sovereign and does things in His perfect time to accomplish His purpose. In other words it is God that runs things not our faith.

So no I don't lack faith, In fact my faith has been tested and proven many many many times. God's goodness has been shown to me many many many times. I have been healed, I have been given my heart's desire and I have seen prayers many prayers answered. I do not question faith at all. What I question is the lousy teaching some expound in the name of faith teaching.

Most importantly my faith in God not in my faith.