Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Joseph Prince teaches OSAS

[bibleman]

Let me say on this point I think more and more Non OSAS are rethinking their position.

I don't think OSAS is correct but I also don't think we can be saved, lose our salvation, get resaved, lose that salvation, and be resaved, lose it again, get it back, lose it, get it back and on and on, as many teach.

To me Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are very clear. It is clearly stated a saved person can lose their salvation BUT that it is no possible to be resaved.

Sorry but that is clearly what those two passages teach. That Jesus can not be re-crucified nor can the blood that was trampled under foot be used to cleanse once again.

So that would be OLAL... right.

Once Lost Always Lost...

No it would be OSALAL
Once saved And Lost Always Lost Hebrews 6:1-6 Hebrew 10:26-29

Hi Ed,

OK to sum it up if you don't won't to go to heave then don't get saved... because once you get saved no sin (other than rejecting Jesus ) can keep you out of Heaven.

AND if you ever loose your salvation then that is it for you... because once you loose your salvation you can never get it back.

WOW Ed, that is some strange thinking you have there.

[Justaned]

Let me say on this point I think more and more Non OSAS are rethinking their position.

I don't think OSAS is correct but I also don't think we can be saved, lose our salvation, get resaved, lose that salvation, and be resaved, lose it again, get it back, lose it, get it back and on and on, as many teach.

To me Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are very clear. It is clearly stated a saved person can lose their salvation BUT that it is no possible to be resaved.

Sorry but that is clearly what those two passages teach. That Jesus can not be re-crucified nor can the blood that was trampled under foot be used to cleanse once again.

So that would be OLAL... right.

Once Lost Always Lost...

No it would be OSALAL
Once saved And Lost Always Lost Hebrews 6:1-6 Hebrew 10:26-29

Hi Ed,

OK to sum it up if you don't won't to go to heave then don't get saved... because once you get saved no sin (other than rejecting Jesus ) can keep you out of Heaven.

AND if you ever loose your salvation then that is it for you... because once you loose your salvation you can never get it back.

WOW Ed, that is some strange thinking you have there.

Bibleman
I don't think that is what quite what I said, now is it?
I think what I said was unintentional and sins of omission will not keep you out of heaven if you are saved. That is a long way from saying NO sin will keep you out of heaven.
And I think if you do lose your salvation then yes that is it for you. Now the question is how do we get to that state. And I would have to say to get to the place where we are no longer saved once we were truly saved would be by rejecting the relationship a person once had with Jesus. Some call this apostasy.

If someone intentionally sins I would have to question whether they were really saved or not, because I find it hard to imagine a person that is truly saved intentionally committing sin. I couldn't do it!

Perhaps you are more qualified to speak on that issue Bibleman.

[bibleman]

Let me say on this point I think more and more Non OSAS are rethinking their position.

I don't think OSAS is correct but I also don't think we can be saved, lose our salvation, get resaved, lose that salvation, and be resaved, lose it again, get it back, lose it, get it back and on and on, as many teach.

To me Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are very clear. It is clearly stated a saved person can lose their salvation BUT that it is no possible to be resaved.

Sorry but that is clearly what those two passages teach. That Jesus can not be re-crucified nor can the blood that was trampled under foot be used to cleanse once again.

So that would be OLAL... right.

Once Lost Always Lost...

No it would be OSALAL
Once saved And Lost Always Lost Hebrews 6:1-6 Hebrew 10:26-29

Hi Ed,

OK to sum it up if you don't won't to go to heave then don't get saved... because once you get saved no sin (other than rejecting Jesus ) can keep you out of Heaven.

AND if you ever loose your salvation then that is it for you... because once you loose your salvation you can never get it back.

WOW Ed, that is some strange thinking you have there.

Bibleman
I don't think that is what quite what I said, now is it?
I think what I said was unintentional and sins of omission will not keep you out of heaven if you are saved. That is a long way from saying NO sin will keep you out of heaven.
And I think if you do lose your salvation then yes that is it for you. Now the question is how do we get to that state. And I would have to say to get to the place where we are no longer saved once we were truly saved would be by rejecting the relationship a person once had with Jesus. Some call this apostasy.

If someone intentionally sins I would have to question whether they were really saved or not, because I find it hard to imagine a person that is truly saved intentionally committing sin. I couldn't do it!

Perhaps you are more qualified to speak on that issue Bibleman.

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

[Justaned]

Let me say on this point I think more and more Non OSAS are rethinking their position.

I don't think OSAS is correct but I also don't think we can be saved, lose our salvation, get resaved, lose that salvation, and be resaved, lose it again, get it back, lose it, get it back and on and on, as many teach.

To me Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are very clear. It is clearly stated a saved person can lose their salvation BUT that it is no possible to be resaved.

Sorry but that is clearly what those two passages teach. That Jesus can not be re-crucified nor can the blood that was trampled under foot be used to cleanse once again.

So that would be OLAL... right.

Once Lost Always Lost...

No it would be OSALAL
Once saved And Lost Always Lost Hebrews 6:1-6 Hebrew 10:26-29

Hi Ed,

OK to sum it up if you don't won't to go to heave then don't get saved... because once you get saved no sin (other than rejecting Jesus ) can keep you out of Heaven.

AND if you ever loose your salvation then that is it for you... because once you loose your salvation you can never get it back.

WOW Ed, that is some strange thinking you have there.

Bibleman
I don't think that is what quite what I said, now is it?
I think what I said was unintentional and sins of omission will not keep you out of heaven if you are saved. That is a long way from saying NO sin will keep you out of heaven.
And I think if you do lose your salvation then yes that is it for you. Now the question is how do we get to that state. And I would have to say to get to the place where we are no longer saved once we were truly saved would be by rejecting the relationship a person once had with Jesus. Some call this apostasy.

If someone intentionally sins I would have to question whether they were really saved or not, because I find it hard to imagine a person that is truly saved intentionally committing sin. I couldn't do it!

Perhaps you are more qualified to speak on that issue Bibleman.

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

[bibleman]

Let me say on this point I think more and more Non OSAS are rethinking their position.

I don't think OSAS is correct but I also don't think we can be saved, lose our salvation, get resaved, lose that salvation, and be resaved, lose it again, get it back, lose it, get it back and on and on, as many teach.

To me Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are very clear. It is clearly stated a saved person can lose their salvation BUT that it is no possible to be resaved.

Sorry but that is clearly what those two passages teach. That Jesus can not be re-crucified nor can the blood that was trampled under foot be used to cleanse once again.

So that would be OLAL... right.

Once Lost Always Lost...

No it would be OSALAL
Once saved And Lost Always Lost Hebrews 6:1-6 Hebrew 10:26-29

Hi Ed,

OK to sum it up if you don't won't to go to heave then don't get saved... because once you get saved no sin (other than rejecting Jesus ) can keep you out of Heaven.

AND if you ever loose your salvation then that is it for you... because once you loose your salvation you can never get it back.

WOW Ed, that is some strange thinking you have there.

Bibleman
I don't think that is what quite what I said, now is it?
I think what I said was unintentional and sins of omission will not keep you out of heaven if you are saved. That is a long way from saying NO sin will keep you out of heaven.
And I think if you do lose your salvation then yes that is it for you. Now the question is how do we get to that state. And I would have to say to get to the place where we are no longer saved once we were truly saved would be by rejecting the relationship a person once had with Jesus. Some call this apostasy.

If someone intentionally sins I would have to question whether they were really saved or not, because I find it hard to imagine a person that is truly saved intentionally committing sin. I couldn't do it!

Perhaps you are more qualified to speak on that issue Bibleman.

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

[Justaned]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

[branham1965]

He is so far from Dad Hagin in spirit,integrity,honor and the Bible its a joke that i even had to post any of this mess.

ill tell you who wouldn't think him the least bit amusing is a Preacher up in Akron Ohio who is 92.

[bibleman]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

How is that OSAS?

Well to you a Christian can commit a "death penalty sin" like murder and yet to you they are not judged for it.

How?

By you saying they were never saved at all.

That is your out.

You OSAS in practice and doctrine Ed - Just like Creflo!

[Justaned]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

How is that OSAS?

Well to you a Christian can commit a "death penalty sin" like murder and yet to you they are not judged for it.

How?

By you saying they were never saved at all.

That is your out.

You OSAS in practice and doctrine Ed - Just like Creflo!

If they are never saved it doesn't matter if the killed or not they are still damned.
OSAS says a saved person can not lose their salvation. I'm saying a saved person can indeed lose their salvation.

I never remotely suggestted that a person saved or not could commit a death penalty sin and not be judged for it. Let us be truthful now.

I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

[bibleman]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

How is that OSAS?

Well to you a Christian can commit a "death penalty sin" like murder and yet to you they are not judged for it.

How?

By you saying they were never saved at all.

That is your out.

You OSAS in practice and doctrine Ed - Just like Creflo!

If they are never saved it doesn't matter if the killed or not they are still damned.
OSAS says a saved person can not lose their salvation. I'm saying a saved person can indeed lose their salvation.

I never remotely suggestted that a person saved or not could commit a death penalty sin and not be judged for it. Let us be truthful now.

I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

Hi Creflo... I mean Ed,

Above you said: I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

See you say a Christian can never commit a death penalty sin.

Translation a Christian will never commit a sin that will take them to Hell.

Just like Creflo!

Creflo and EDflo two peas in a pod!