Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ pope-e-poo says gays are OK!

[bibleman]

ABOARD THE PAPAL AIRCRAFT (AP) — Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip.

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.

His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.

Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-wont-ju ... 41448.html

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[branham1965]

i saw this on AOL.

is the Padre saying practicing sodomites may be Priests???

if he includes pedophiles then he has just admitted openly what we all knew.

[Justaned]

How is what the Pope said any different than most Protestant doctrines.
If a homosexual confesses he will be forgiven. Pope never suggestted that an active homosexual should be in the priesthood.

He said who was he to judge a man that confesses. I think that is true for all of Christiandom.

Which is worst a preacher that is married and has an affair get caught and says he is sorry is allowed to continue to preach.

Or the young man that had a homosexual relationship confesses, dedicates it life to serving God taking a vow of celibacy, and keeps the vow.

For any priest to be active homosexual they are also breaking the celibacy vows too. Which to me says they have no morals at all. And the Pope did not Okay that even remotely.

[branham1965]

there was a special done by??? looking into the homosexuals ,perverts, etc in the Roman Church.

they deny it all of course.

i find it odd the we never hear of the Eastern Orthodox Church which hates Rome (more than Chick and Ruckman put together)having these issues.

RCC is in denial.

How is what the Pope said any different than most Protestant doctrines.
If a homosexual confesses he will be forgiven. Pope never suggestted that an active homosexual should be in the priesthood.

He said who was he to judge a man that confesses. I think that is true for all of Christiandom.

Which is worst a preacher that is married and has an affair get caught and says he is sorry is allowed to continue to preach.

Or the young man that had a homosexual relationship confesses, dedicates it life to serving God taking a vow of celibacy, and keeps the vow.

For any priest to be active homosexual they are also breaking the celibacy vows too. Which to me says they have no morals at all. And the Pope did not Okay that even remotely.

[Justaned]

there was a special done by??? looking into the homosexuals ,perverts, etc in the Roman Church.

they deny it all of course.

i find it odd the we never hear of the Eastern Orthodox Church which hates Rome (more than Chick and Ruckman put together)having these issues.

RCC is in denial.

How is what the Pope said any different than most Protestant doctrines.
If a homosexual confesses he will be forgiven. Pope never suggestted that an active homosexual should be in the priesthood.

He said who was he to judge a man that confesses. I think that is true for all of Christiandom.

Which is worst a preacher that is married and has an affair get caught and says he is sorry is allowed to continue to preach.

Or the young man that had a homosexual relationship confesses, dedicates it life to serving God taking a vow of celibacy, and keeps the vow.

For any priest to be active homosexual they are also breaking the celibacy vows too. Which to me says they have no morals at all. And the Pope did not Okay that even remotely.

RCC is also a cash cow with a target on it's back. Every bottom feeding lawyer's ear perk up when you say RCC. I see weekly arrests of men and women connected to religion being arrested for Child abuse/pornography and no one says the Lutherans are all perverts, or baptist is a haven for child abusers, or the Methodist hide them in their ranks.

Why because if sued they have nothing to gain compared to the RCC.

[Watchman2013]

Good Afternoon,

Sin is sin. Yeah, trite, but true. It's like being "a little bit pregnant, or a little be dead." It is, or it isn't. Sin, as such, is ANYTHING that separates us from The Presence of God. ANYTHING. I don't like politics, having seen how documents like the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, have been perverted by man... How I feel about that, I can scarcely mention, but when it comes to THE WORD OF GOD, my precious Holy Bible, my rage becomes incandescent... Those that tinker with, or change, in any way, the most precious "document" ever given to man, by the Inspiration of God, are NOT my friends.

Homosexuality is sin. The practitioner of homosexuality is one who can by The Word, The Holy Spirit, and the Name of Jesus, be transformed from death and darkness, into light and life eternal, through The Word, The Spirit, and the Name of Jesus, to the Glory of God the Father... Romans lists not only homosexuality, but all manner of uncleanness and perversity- acts God calls anathema... So, it is possible to change those of whatever sinful practices, to become Christ-like, to God the Father's Glory... ANY sin, regardless of type, has no degree, but IS sin. Abortion is sin. Is it any less a sin, than homosexuality, or gluttony, or drug abuse, or murder? No. Sin is sin.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. Easy? Only if we don't get wrapped around the axle of "righteousness-" ours, not that of God... Our righteousness is as filthy rags, but Praise be to God, we have, on being saved from sin and death, we have God's Righteousness... We must NOT think more of ourselves than we ought... But for the Grace of God, we're no different from others. Grace is what brings us home, to God... Lest we ever forget, what grace is, it is God's unmerited favor. We couldn't earn it, just like we could not be saved, without The Blessed Son of God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, doing for us, what we could not do for ourselves...

Hate Islam, but don't hate those that practice that perverted doctrine of Satanic religion... All can be saved- IF they will honestly acknowledge their sin, earnestly repent of sin, eschew sin, ask God for His Forgiveness, and profess with their mouths, that Jesus Christ is the Lord of their lives- that He resides in their hearts forever more, and receive Him- they will be transformed from death and darkness, and into light and life eternal, becoming a new creation, a new creature in Christ Jesus... For it is not God's Will, that any should perish...

As long as man erects denominations, makes barriers between man and God, there will be problems, for neither God The Father, God The Son, nor God The Holy Spirit invented "religion." Why would They? We were created for God's good pleasure, and He certainly doesn't need fences to corral us... He's Mighty, All Powerful, All Knowing, and Everywhere! We should NEVER limit Him...

I look forward to the time when NO religions exist, but a one-to-one relationship of every man, woman, and child to God exists... No barriers, just truth, life and light eternal...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Ironman]

there was a special done by??? looking into the homosexuals ,perverts, etc in the Roman Church.

they deny it all of course.

i find it odd the we never hear of the Eastern Orthodox Church which hates Rome (more than Chick and Ruckman put together)having these issues.

RCC is in denial.

How is what the Pope said any different than most Protestant doctrines.
If a homosexual confesses he will be forgiven. Pope never suggestted that an active homosexual should be in the priesthood.

He said who was he to judge a man that confesses. I think that is true for all of Christiandom.

Which is worst a preacher that is married and has an affair get caught and says he is sorry is allowed to continue to preach.

Or the young man that had a homosexual relationship confesses, dedicates it life to serving God taking a vow of celibacy, and keeps the vow.

For any priest to be active homosexual they are also breaking the celibacy vows too. Which to me says they have no morals at all. And the Pope did not Okay that even remotely.

RCC is also a cash cow with a target on it's back. Every bottom feeding lawyer's ear perk up when you say RCC. I see weekly arrests of men and women connected to religion being arrested for Child abuse/pornography and no one says the Lutherans are all perverts, or baptist is a haven for child abusers, or the Methodist hide them in their ranks.

Why because if sued they have nothing to gain compared to the RCC.

We Christians do not condone homosexuality, pedofiles, pornography or perverts of any kind, especially if comitted by so called ministers and priests, and we dont support or feel sorry for any who do engage in these sins either, be they of the RCC, be they cash cows or not!

[Justaned]

there was a special done by??? looking into the homosexuals ,perverts, etc in the Roman Church.

they deny it all of course.

i find it odd the we never hear of the Eastern Orthodox Church which hates Rome (more than Chick and Ruckman put together)having these issues.

RCC is in denial.

How is what the Pope said any different than most Protestant doctrines.
If a homosexual confesses he will be forgiven. Pope never suggestted that an active homosexual should be in the priesthood.

He said who was he to judge a man that confesses. I think that is true for all of Christiandom.

Which is worst a preacher that is married and has an affair get caught and says he is sorry is allowed to continue to preach.

Or the young man that had a homosexual relationship confesses, dedicates it life to serving God taking a vow of celibacy, and keeps the vow.

For any priest to be active homosexual they are also breaking the celibacy vows too. Which to me says they have no morals at all. And the Pope did not Okay that even remotely.

RCC is also a cash cow with a target on it's back. Every bottom feeding lawyer's ear perk up when you say RCC. I see weekly arrests of men and women connected to religion being arrested for Child abuse/pornography and no one says the Lutherans are all perverts, or baptist is a haven for child abusers, or the Methodist hide them in their ranks.

Why because if sued they have nothing to gain compared to the RCC.

We Christians do not condone homosexuality, pedofiles, pornography or perverts of any kind, especially if comitted by so called ministers and priests, and we dont support or feel sorry for any who do engage in these sins either, be they of the RCC, be they cash cows or not!

I agree but what I was saying is RCC is a cash cow to lawyers. If you are going to spend money to publicize something it makes sense to do it to something you can get your money back from. Lawyers know if they sue the little baptist church down the street and win they are only going to get whatever the church is worth. But if they sue the RCC they can get all the money in diocese which is probably tons more than an one catholic church is worth.
Hence they go after the Catholics.

[Ironman]

They were like a pack of ravenous wolves here down under, from the time I went to school here untill this day, and all hidden by the poppeyed popes and their bishops! I cannot begine to imagin what it was like elsewhere throughoutthe world during this time?


'Good' and 'bad' priest files
By IAN KIRKWOOD July 29, 2013, 10:09 p.m.

Father Bob Searle leaves Newcastle Supreme Court.

HUNTER Catholic priests had their personnel files spilt into "good" and "bad" sections, according to a secretary to three bishops of the Maitland-Newcastle Diocese.

Elizabeth Doyle was one of four witnesses to give evidence to the Special Commission of Inquiry in Newcastle yesterday, along with diocese priests Father Bob Searle and Father William Burston and a director of the Church's Professional Standards Office, John Davoren.

Ms Doyle told an assisting counsel, Warwick Hunt, that she joined the office of the late Bishop Leo Clarke in January 1993 after 20 years as a travel agent.

She stayed with the diocese office throughout Bishop Michael Malone's tenure and remains executive assistant to the current Bishop, Bill Wright.

One of the assisting counsel, Warwick Hunt, asked Ms Doyle if she knew who coined the term "special issues" to deal with matters relating to child sexual abuse by clergy.

She said she did not know, and that she did not use the term herself.

"I never referred to what I would call those confidential files as special issues," Ms Doyle said.

Asked if she called them confidential files, Ms Doyle said: "No, I would have used the terms bad and good."

Asked where the "bad files" were kept in the early 1990s, Ms Doyle said she didn't know if there were any, but if there were they were all kept in the one cabinet with the "good files".

"As the confidential or bad files were established at one point they were put into a separate file so if you had a priest who had a good and a bad file they would be one behind the other," Ms Doyle said.

"The good file in the front with the confidential file behind."

Asked what prompted the creation of the "good" and "bad" files, Ms Doyle said she was "pretty sure it was after the arrest of Vince Ryan" because the police wanted the file.

Ryan, another paedophile priest, was arrested in 1995.

She said documents from this time may have mentioned "sexual abuse" in relation to another paedophile, the late Denis McAlinden.

"But most of what I learned about McAlinden was what I read in the Newcastle Herald," Ms Doyle said.


See your ad hereIn other evidence, Father Searle gave his account of a night in 1998 when AH - a victim of paedophile priest the late Jim Fletcher - was yelling drunkenly in the street outside the Nelson Bay presbytery.

Father Searle said he did not hear AH saying anything about priests doing weird sexual things to children.

Father Searle said he was never concerned that AH's complaint may have been about himself and he had no recollection of a phone conversation with police officer Peter Fox assuring him that AH was not complaining about him.

Mr Davoren, who is scheduled to resume giving evidence today, was the person appointed to run the Church office set up in 1997 to handle clergy abuse allegations and to liaise with police.

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ARCHIVE: Special Commission of Inquiry into Catholic Church cover up of sex abuse July 20, 2013, 5:30 p.m.

LATE last year Premier Barry O’Farrell announced a Special Commission of Inquiry into ‘‘certain child sexual abuse allegations’’ raised by Hunter police officer Peter Fox.
The actions of two former priests of the Maitland-Newcastle diocese of the Catholic Church, paedophiles Denis McAlinden and James Fletcher, are at the centre of the inquiry.

An initial bank of hearings, in May, looked at whether Detective Chief Inspector Fox was ‘‘asked to cease investigating relevant matters and whether it was appropriate to do so’’.

The current bank of hearings, which began on June 24 and which will continue to at least late July, are concerned with the church’s response handling of the McAlinden and Fletcher matters.

TRANSCRIPTS AND COURT EXHIBITS

Inquiry: Good and bad priest files kept July 29

INQUIRY: Priest tells of victim's drunken outburst July 29

Inquiry: Victim's family still intimidated July 27

Inquiry: Victim's mother tells of family's pain July 26

Priest's inability to recall 'defies belief': inquiry July 26

Inquiry: AH's mother 'ostracised' by church after Fletcher revelations July 26

Inquiry: Priest 'did not recall McAlinden' July 25

Inquiry: Limited memories questioned July 25

Senior priest defends dealings with paedophiles: inquiry July 25

VIDEO: No notes, no paper trail: inquiry July 24

VIDEO: Defrocked priest worked at school July 24

VIDEO: Tears as victim testifies at inquiry July 24

Priest victim opens up at inquiry July 24

Special inquiry stress leave for priest July 19

Ombudsman report slams Church July 19

Church abuse inquiry: vicar-general excused July 19

Church abuse inquiry hears of ‘‘selective recall’’ July 18

Protesters target priests at inquiry July 18

UPDATED: Senior priest aware of McAlinden rumours in late 1980s July 17

VIDEO: Bishop apologises, denies altering diary July 15

Malone rejects diary-change allegations July 15

Malone tells inquiry of 'sickening' reports July 15

Bishop defied Rome: inquiry July 12

Paedophile priest was mongrel to us: victims July 12

Bishop did not destroy documents: inquiry July 12

Bishop regrets inaction on child abuse claims July 11

Diocese knew of possible concealment charges: inquiry July 11

Bishop never looked at files: inquiry July 10

Church collusion evidence rejected: inquiry July 10

INQUIRY: Bishop 'never saw' priest files stored in his office July 10

Collusion between church figures denied: inquiry July 10

Questions over gay porn: inquiry July 9

Priest offered to hand himself in: inquiry July 5

Letters reveal Church's knowledge of paedophile priest's behaviour July 5

Letters presented to the Special Commission of Inquiry July 4

Fox's record of Malone meeting examined at inquiry July 3

Inquiry focus swings to Catholic Church July 3

Fox grilled over alleged tip-off: inquiry July 2

VIDEO: Allegations diocese knew of abuse July 2

Church sex abuse going on a long time July 2

VIDEO: Bishop apologises to the victims July 2

Priest boasted of beating police charges July 2

VIDEO: Bishop's 'unreserved apology' - inquiry July 1

Top cops defend strike force: inquiry June 28

Church faces special inquiry blowtorch June 28

Police superintendent assaulted by priest: inquiry June 28

Doubts cast on Fox interviews: inquiry June 27 (update)

Doubts cast on Fox interviews: inquiry June 27

Investigations not deterred by church's might, inquiry told June 27

No ill will towards Fox: inquiry June 26

Leaks to Herald led to formal police complaint: inquiry June 26

Inquiry hears Catholic Church 'covered tracks' of predator priest June 25

VIDEO: Statement by Joanne McCarthy June 25

Inquiry: Church had knowledge of abusers June 25

COMMENT: Ian Kirkwood describes inquiry June 25

'No animosity' for Fox from officers June 25

VIDEO: Herald journalist at inquiry June 25

McCarthy denies colluding with Fox: inquiry June 25

Crowd gathers as star witnesses take their turn June 24

Fox rode on 'saddle of lies' June 24

Police chief asked to meet reporter June 24

Newcastle Herald journalist speaks at child sex abuse inquiry June 24

UPDATE: Herald journalist takes stand at inquiry June 24

POLL: Clergy to give evidence in private June 11

Commission to run one extra week May 21

Former top cop rejects Fox claims May 17

Barrister praises police and Fox May 17

Reports mixed on Fox meeting May 16

Investigation a 'shining example': inquiry May 16

Fox’s claims on strike force rejected May 15

Tayler denies claims he didn't want abuse cover-ups investigated May 15

Police leaks linked to Fox May 14

UPDATED: Inquiry hears of lack of resources May 13

Sex crimes investigation hampered by resources: inquiry May 13

INQUIRY: Officer agrees investigator was 'shut down' May 10

Commission told early police response 'lacked urgency' May 10

Church figure warns of 'bitter truths': inquiry May 9

Fox under fire over tweet May 9

INQUIRY: Witness denies 'mafia' tag May 9

Grant didn't say 'Catholic mafia': inquiry May 8

INQUIRY: Fox admits thin blue lie May 7

Police paedophilia meeting 'sinister': inquiry May 6

Testimony alleges church cover-up May 6

Police ordered not to talk to journalist May 6

VIDEO: Opening remarks in child sex abuse inquiry May 6

VIDEO: Police discussed bishop concealing sex crimes: inquiry May 6

link;

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/16508 ... sex-abuse/

Makes me want to spew every time I see one of them walking down the street in their black robes!

[Watchman2013]

Ironman,

The RCC has had a thousand plus years to rape, plunder, pillage, and program the populace of the world, without hindrance. Such an organization has so inculcated it's devotees, that the Jesuits have said that if they get children young enough, I've heard five years of age, and some younger, that they'll own them for the rest of their unnatural lives...

Yes, I've known Charismatic Catholics, who truly do know Christ Jesus, and are Spirit of God Filled, but they have grown-up in the bondage of the RCC, and feel comfortable there. Some, the more "enlightened" ones, actually believe they can save family members and friends, working as an "underground" Church, within the RCC... Yes, I've seen such actually continue Christ's Ministry, viewing their AO, Area of Operations, as being behind Enemy Lines... Not far wrong, in that analysis... Most are not aware that in the Vatican basements, there still is an Office of the Inquisition, headed by The Black Pope, head of the Franciscan Order...

Why is it that so few, actual demons are cast out by RCC priests? Can Satan cast out Satan? Nope, nada, nyet, nein...

The RCC is a whited sepulcher, of dead men's bones... Unfortunately, it will not go away, as the Antichrist and his False Prophet will find many willing "converts" there...

Maranatha

Watchman2013