Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does everything happen for a reason?

[Justaned]

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

Where do you get the idea that God needs to repent?
Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't.
Or God could allow it which God did.
Man killed the cat, God allowed it.
What you want to do is place blame another manever of the Evolutionist. Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc.

God allows man to make a decision, when it goes right man proudly beats his chest and proclaims look what I did.
However when it does wrong man immediately points a finger and says why didn't you stop this God?

Even Adam tried the same tactic, when he said the Woman that YOU GAVE ME talked me into it. So God it isn't my problem but yours. God didn't buy that argument then and God won't now.

Hi Ed,

According to you: "Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't. Or God could allow it which God did. Man killed the cat, God allowed it."

You said NOT to: "Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc."

OK, I agree with you on what you said above: "God was NOT responsible for man's decision to kill the cat. God did NOT make man do it. God did NOT stop it. Man killed the cat!"

Thus man was in control of killing the cat (not God) - no doubt about it according to what you just said.

We agree then.

Man did the killing at his decision. But the ultimate control was in the hands of God. In that God could stop or allow the killing.

Hi Ed,

OK if the ultimate control was in the hands of God AS YOU SAY.

Then God was in control and and God was responsible for killing the cat!

Question then... Why does God want to kill cats?

Everyone knows that answer because dogs are better, you can use them for hunting unknowing people that try to make God a spectator and man in control.

[victoryword]

If you accept my apologies Preacher why dont you EVER respond to my posts?

Because you have not yet sent me a love offering.

$1000.00 buys my forgiveness and I might even send you a prayer cloth +pieface

[branham1965]

I know i can be a royal pain.so helpme i dont intend to.

i actually really like your Word based stuff.i think one will get a million miles further with the Lord embracing faith, healing prosperity ,confessing God'd Word,claiming the promises,and the goodness of God than fighting it.

If you accept my apologies Preacher why dont you EVER respond to my posts?

Because you have not yet sent me a love offering.

$1000.00 buys my forgiveness and I might even send you a prayer cloth +pieface

[titus213]

What is interesting is the teaching that has crept into the church that God isn't in control. That man is in charge of his own destiny. Than man can by the use of faith or the lack of faith more or less controls his own destiny.

Actually, what crept into the church, beginning with Augustine, was the teaching that God IS all-controlling. That was not the doctrine of the Church prior to him. It has not been the doctrine of most of the Church even since Augustine. In places like John 3, Jesus himself clearly taught that man's destiny is determined by his faith:

"God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won’t perish but will have eternal life. God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him isn’t judged; whoever doesn’t believe in him is already judged, because they don’t believe in the name of God’s only Son".

[Justaned]

What is interesting is the teaching that has crept into the church that God isn't in control. That man is in charge of his own destiny. Than man can by the use of faith or the lack of faith more or less controls his own destiny.

Actually, what crept into the church, beginning with Augustine, was the teaching that God IS all-controlling. That was not the doctrine of the Church prior to him. It has not been the doctrine of most of the Church even since Augustine. In places like John 3, Jesus himself clearly taught that man's destiny is determined by his faith:

"God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won’t perish but will have eternal life. God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him isn’t judged; whoever doesn’t believe in him is already judged, because they don’t believe in the name of God’s only Son".

No one is talking about All controling but you and those that oppose the idea that God is in control. Being in control does not automatically mean you are all controling. It simply means nothing happens out side your knowledge, that you allow it to happen and that you could prevent it from happening.

No John 3 does not teach man destiny is determined by his faith. It is determined by his where he places his trust. Man can have all the faith in the world but unless he is willing to trust his spirit to Jesus his faith does him no good. The word Pisteuo used in John 3:16 speaks more of trust than of faith.

Many people saw Jesus Christ in the flesh before and after the crucifixion they did not have to use any faith they knew for a fact. But unless they trusted their eternity to Christ they were just as lost as those that today say they have faith but will not yield themselves to Christ.

[titus213]

No one is talking about All controling but you and those that oppose the idea that God is in control. Being in control does not automatically mean you are all controling. It simply means nothing happens out side your knowledge, that you allow it to happen and that you could prevent it from happening

You keep trying to redefine "control" to suit your purposes. What you describe is someone who has authority. They can permit or refuse to permit something to happen. That is not control. It is authority.

If I permit my nextdoor neighbor to borrow my lawn mower and he runs over his wife's flower garden with it, no one would say I had control over what took place, simply because I allowed him to borrow my machine.

Permission and control are not the same for God or man.

[Justaned]

No one is talking about All controling but you and those that oppose the idea that God is in control. Being in control does not automatically mean you are all controling. It simply means nothing happens out side your knowledge, that you allow it to happen and that you could prevent it from happening

You keep trying to redefine "control" to suit your purposes. What you describe is someone who has authority. They can permit or refuse to permit something to happen. That is not control. It is authority.

If I permit my nextdoor neighbor to borrow my lawn mower and he runs over his wife's flower garden with it, no one would say I had control over what took place, simply because I allowed him to borrow my machine.

Permission and control are not the same for God or man.

Okay then God has ultimate authority over the things that happen in the universe. How is that?

[davido]

Judges 19, a man bringing his concubine home, stopped at a Benjamite town and the men of the town, Benjamites raped and killed her.
I rather doubt if God inspired the Benjamites to become homosexuals so they could kill the concubine.
The man cut up his concubine and sent apart of her body to all the 12 tribes, of which a war resulted and
the Benjamintes won the first two battles and God interceded on the last battle and the homosexual
Bemjamites were defeated, 600 escaped whom later took wife's of the other 11 tribes.

When Oral Roberts daughter was killed in an auto accident, he said he had let his guard down.

It would seem if we're on a mission inspired of God, things will go as God directs, however at times
evil affects Christians. We see many children, girls raped in many places of the earth, and that
cannot be God. I'm not sure if there's a pat answer when evil attacks Christians. I do think
prayer helps prevent evil. We will all have mountains in life to overcome, but I would not
say God is responsible for them but rather helps us overcome them. We can pray our angels
watch and protect us and our families, but still we cannot escape the evil within people.
I don't know anyone whom perhaps on a job, school, even church do not have problem people
upset them. Sometime I may stub my toe, and I rather doubt that happened for a reason,
but rather I was not careful to wear shoes. When your car breaks down its because a part
need replacement or repair, not an act of God.
God is in control, but permits evil to exist on this earth.
LIttle children that die from cancer or accidents I would not say God caused it, however
God permits evil as that's a part of the reason we're here and not in heaven.
When we're in heaven evil won't be. Bottom line is Ephesians taking up the weapons
of spiritual warfare. If that were not so, Paul would not have wrote it under the
inspiration of God, therefore, the clue to the answer would have to be in Ephesian, would it not?
Basically when we're in the perfect will of God, we're less likely to have evil attack us
as with Joshua or Gideon being divinely directed. God assured many in the old
testament they would win the battle, hence Satan was sequestered to defeat, however
not every situation is likewise the same. The best answer would be in Ephesians
taking up the spiritual weapons against Satan, thus Oral Roberts no doubt had the
best answer.

[Justaned]

God control who will die and who will live.

Look at the Book of Job, Satan could only act within the confines God gave him to act within. God told Satan that he could not take Job's life.

Look at Hezekiah he prayed to God and God NOT SATAN added 15 years to his life.

Look at Exodus 20:12 Honor your parents and God Not Satan will add longevity to your life.

No one dies one second sooner or later than God allows.