Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does everything happen for a reason?

[Justaned]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

Your insistence that you were in control is product of the Pride of Life one of the three things that brought down Adam and Eve in the garden. They wanted to be in control instead of God. It is also the same thing that feeds the evolutionist.

[bibleman]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

OK, ultimately then you are saying God killed the cat?

[Justaned]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

OK, ultimately then you are saying God killed the cat?

No you killed the cat God allowed you.Your insistence that you were in control is product of the Pride of Life one of the three things that brought down Adam and Eve in the garden. They wanted to be in control instead of God. It is also the same thing that feeds the evolutionist.

[bibleman]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

OK, ultimately then you are saying God killed the cat?

No you killed the cat God allowed you.Your insistence that you were in control is product of the Pride of Life one of the three things that brought down Adam and Eve in the garden. They wanted to be in control instead of God. It is also the same thing that feeds the evolutionist.

OK if I killed the cat and NOT God then I was in control.

I think I understand now.

Thanks

[Justaned]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

OK, ultimately then you are saying God killed the cat?

No you killed the cat God allowed you.Your insistence that you were in control is product of the Pride of Life one of the three things that brought down Adam and Eve in the garden. They wanted to be in control instead of God. It is also the same thing that feeds the evolutionist.

OK if I killed the cat and NOT God then I was in control.

I think I understand now.

Thanks

Control is not decided by who actually killed the cat control is decided by who ultimately could allow and disallow it. And that was God.

If things don't happen for a reason then the universe would be in chaos as the evolutionist insist. Life wasn't created it just happened according to them. They theorise that man just happens to be in control because man evolved quicker and gained he upper hand.

If God isn't in control then why bother to serve HIm, why bother to pray to him, why bother with God at all? Evolutionist and those that think God isn't in control believe man is in control and it is his decisions that effect the world.
If that be true instead of praying to God why not make supplication to the most powerful man?

It is all hog wash fueled by man's pride of life. People having their ears tickled began to buy into this nonsense and today men have built up huge followings of the people that pay for their every whim and they keep these people happy by telling them "they (the people) are in control) that they can have and do whatever they want as long as they have enough faith.

Of course the people having their ears tickled never make a connection between the life of overbundance these people are living and the life those that are supportting them are living.

Some of these guys have two people in their families yet live in houses with 10 or 15 bedrooms and 5-10 bath rooms. To what point? They had the money and spent it on things they never would use just because they had the money.

And every dime they spend didn't come from the unrighteous, oh no! It came from the poor guy sitting in the pew being beguiled by the guy on stage telling him He could have what ever he wanted if only he had enough faith. Because man is in control.

No one ever asks the faith gurus why they take up offerings and ask for money. If faith is so powerful in their hands why don't they just use their faith to support their decandent life style?

Hey don't believe me, believe these guys and keep on sending they your money, while they quietly laugh at you for being so easy to be bilked out of your money.

[bibleman]

I keep answering and you keep asking.
God had ultimate control but God allowed you to exercise your choice.
If God hadn't allowed you you could not have killed the cat.
Who actually killed the Cat? You did.
Who allowed you to do it? God.
Who could have stopped you? God

Thanks, I understand.

God is in control, but he gave me the power of choice which put me in control.

So I am in control of killing the cat and NOT God.

Thus God is NOT in control, I am.

On the matter of killing the cat yes you are the one doing the killing. However God had to allow you to kill the cat and likewise God could have stopped you.
So ultimate control is God's

OK, ultimately then you are saying God killed the cat?

No you killed the cat God allowed you.Your insistence that you were in control is product of the Pride of Life one of the three things that brought down Adam and Eve in the garden. They wanted to be in control instead of God. It is also the same thing that feeds the evolutionist.

OK if I killed the cat and NOT God then I was in control.

I think I understand now.

Thanks

Control is not decided by who actually killed the cat control is decided by who ultimately could allow and disallow it. And that was God.

If things don't happen for a reason then the universe would be in chaos as the evolutionist insist. Life wasn't created it just happened according to them. They theorise that man just happens to be in control because man evolved quicker and gained he upper hand.

If God isn't in control then why bother to serve HIm, why bother to pray to him, why bother with God at all? Evolutionist and those that think God isn't in control believe man is in control and it is his decisions that effect the world.
If that be true instead of praying to God why not make supplication to the most powerful man?

It is all hog wash fueled by man's pride of life. People having their ears tickled began to buy into this nonsense and today men have built up huge followings of the people that pay for their every whim and they keep these people happy by telling them "they (the people) are in control) that they can have and do whatever they want as long as they have enough faith.

Of course the people having their ears tickled never make a connection between the life of overbundance these people are living and the life those that are supportting them are living.

Some of these guys have two people in their families yet live in houses with 10 or 15 bedrooms and 5-10 bath rooms. To what point? They had the money and spent it on things they never would use just because they had the money.

And every dime they spend didn't come from the unrighteous, oh no! It came from the poor guy sitting in the pew being beguiled by the guy on stage telling him He could have what ever he wanted if only he had enough faith. Because man is in control.

No one ever asks the faith gurus why they take up offerings and ask for money. If faith is so powerful in their hands why don't they just use their faith to support their decandent life style?

Hey don't believe me, believe these guys and keep on sending they your money, while they quietly laugh at you for being so easy to be bilked out of your money.

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

[Justaned]

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

Where do you get the idea that God needs to repent?
Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't.
Or God could allow it which God did.
Man killed the cat, God allowed it.
What you want to do is place blame another manever of the Evolutionist. Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc.

God allows man to make a decision, when it goes right man proudly beats his chest and proclaims look what I did.
However when it does wrong man immediately points a finger and says why didn't you stop this God?

Even Adam tried the same tactic, when he said the Woman that YOU GAVE ME talked me into it. So God it isn't my problem but yours. God didn't buy that argument then and God won't now.

[bibleman]

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

Where do you get the idea that God needs to repent?
Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't.
Or God could allow it which God did.
Man killed the cat, God allowed it.
What you want to do is place blame another manever of the Evolutionist. Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc.

God allows man to make a decision, when it goes right man proudly beats his chest and proclaims look what I did.
However when it does wrong man immediately points a finger and says why didn't you stop this God?

Even Adam tried the same tactic, when he said the Woman that YOU GAVE ME talked me into it. So God it isn't my problem but yours. God didn't buy that argument then and God won't now.

Hi Ed,

According to you: "Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't. Or God could allow it which God did. Man killed the cat, God allowed it."

You said NOT to: "Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc."

OK, I agree with you on what you said above: "God was NOT responsible for man's decision to kill the cat. God did NOT make man do it. God did NOT stop it. Man killed the cat!"

Thus man was in control of killing the cat (not God) - no doubt about it according to what you just said.

We agree then.

[Justaned]

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

Where do you get the idea that God needs to repent?
Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't.
Or God could allow it which God did.
Man killed the cat, God allowed it.
What you want to do is place blame another manever of the Evolutionist. Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc.

God allows man to make a decision, when it goes right man proudly beats his chest and proclaims look what I did.
However when it does wrong man immediately points a finger and says why didn't you stop this God?

Even Adam tried the same tactic, when he said the Woman that YOU GAVE ME talked me into it. So God it isn't my problem but yours. God didn't buy that argument then and God won't now.

Hi Ed,

According to you: "Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't. Or God could allow it which God did. Man killed the cat, God allowed it."

You said NOT to: "Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc."

OK, I agree with you on what you said above: "God was NOT responsible for man's decision to kill the cat. God did NOT make man do it. God did NOT stop it. Man killed the cat!"

Thus man was in control of killing the cat (not God) - no doubt about it according to what you just said.

We agree then.

Man did the killing at his decision. But the ultimate control was in the hands of God. In that God could stop or allow the killing.

[bibleman]

OK then according to you God is in control and HE killed the cat!

Since God is in control as you say, then of course the man can not be guilty of killing the cat, since God made him do it...

So why does man need to repent for something God made him do?

Where do you get the idea that God needs to repent?
Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't.
Or God could allow it which God did.
Man killed the cat, God allowed it.
What you want to do is place blame another manever of the Evolutionist. Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc.

God allows man to make a decision, when it goes right man proudly beats his chest and proclaims look what I did.
However when it does wrong man immediately points a finger and says why didn't you stop this God?

Even Adam tried the same tactic, when he said the Woman that YOU GAVE ME talked me into it. So God it isn't my problem but yours. God didn't buy that argument then and God won't now.

Hi Ed,

According to you: "Never said God made the man do it. I said God could have stopped it, which He didn't. Or God could allow it which God did. Man killed the cat, God allowed it."

You said NOT to: "Make God responsible for man's decisions, bad judgements, man's ego and etc."

OK, I agree with you on what you said above: "God was NOT responsible for man's decision to kill the cat. God did NOT make man do it. God did NOT stop it. Man killed the cat!"

Thus man was in control of killing the cat (not God) - no doubt about it according to what you just said.

We agree then.

Man did the killing at his decision. But the ultimate control was in the hands of God. In that God could stop or allow the killing.

Hi Ed,

OK if the ultimate control was in the hands of God AS YOU SAY.

Then God was in control and and God was responsible for killing the cat!

Question then... Why does God want to kill cats?