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[Spiritblade Disciple]

I view the Holy Ghost as an appendage of God.
A part of God that can be used to accomplish God's will in or for us.

Interesting, but an odd term.

According to Gemini, "An appendage is an external body part or natural prolongation that protrudes from an organism's main structure. The term generally describes limbs or projections, though it can also refer to anything attached as a subordinate part to something larger."

Thus calling the Holy Ghost "an appendage of God" would prove that God has a body.

Do you view the Lord Jesus Christ as God?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

From prior posts, I seem to remember someone siting Rev. Dakes' views on baptism.
From the scrips' I know, it seems senseless to diminish baptism's importance to salvation.

Dake viewed water baptism as only a ceremonial washing away of sins, not an actual washing away of sins. Dake distinguished between water baptism and baptism into Christ, which (for Dake) is a baptism without water into Christ by the Spirit at the point of repentance from sin and genuine faith in Christ's redemptive work. For Dake, this baptism by the Spirit into Christ needed to occur prior to water baptism for the ceremonial or figurative baptism that is water baptism to be valid.

This is very similar to how some Baptists view water baptism; a symbol only, an act of obedience, and an outward testimony to the inward work that has already occurred.

It's definitely not the view of water baptism of the Roman Catholics, Churches of Christ, or some Apostolic (Oneness) Pentecostals.

Dake would likely conclude that you are most likely conflating verses about baptism by the Spirit into Christ with the ceremony of water baptism. For Dake, the two baptisms were different baptisms. Not the same baptism.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Hmmm...
One either has the gift [of the Holy Spirit], or they do not.

Dake distinguished between the earnest of the Spirit or the Spirit by measure (received at salvation) and the fullness of the Spirit or the Spirit without measure (or the Spirit Baptism) which permits the one so baptized to do whatever God would do in any situation (work miracles, etc...). All of the truly saved have the earnest of the Spirit, but not all of the saved have the Spirit Baptism (as evidenced by the ability to operate in any of the nine gifts of the Spirit at will).

Dake's view of the evidence of the Spirt Baptism is more extreme than just speaking in tongues (the least of the gifts). A Spirit Baptized person would, at minimum, be able to do the same works that Christ did. Anyone that cannot, would not be Spirit Baptized, according to Dake's view of the Spirit Baptism.

There are many different degrees of filling with the Spirit between the initial earnest of the Spirit (by measure) and the fullness of the Spirit (Spirit Baptism), as I understand Dake's views on the topic. A person might raise a person from the dead and yet not be Spirit Baptized.

[Hill Top]

Are you kidding me ?
God need none of the things on your list.
He is God !

It's actually your list.

I already said that I didn't think God would need to do anything on that list by virtue of being God.

Do you think that saints will still have to perform those functions once they receive their glorified bodies? I do not think they will have need of performing those functions. So, being a man doesn't necessitate performing those functions.

I don't feel that the resurrected will have need of any of the list.
If they want to eat or drink, however, it will be available to them.

[Hill Top]

I view the Holy Ghost as an appendage of God.
A part of God that can be used to accomplish God's will in or for us.

Interesting, but an odd term.

According to Gemini, "An appendage is an external body part or natural prolongation that protrudes from an organism's main structure. The term generally describes limbs or projections, though it can also refer to anything attached as a subordinate part to something larger."
Thus calling the Holy Ghost "an appendage of God" would prove that God has a body.

Were the appendage from a human, you would be right.
The Cub Scouts are an appendage of the BSA, but not physically attached to them.

Do you view the Lord Jesus Christ as God?

I view the Lord Jesus Christ as the Word, and the Son of God.
It was the Word, pre-flesh, that was God.

[Hill Top]

From prior posts, I seem to remember someone siting Rev. Dakes' views on baptism.
From the scrips' I know, it seems senseless to diminish baptism's importance to salvation.

Dake viewed water baptism as only a ceremonial washing away of sins, not an actual washing away of sins. Dake distinguished between water baptism and baptism into Christ, which (for Dake) is a baptism without water into Christ by the Spirit at the point of repentance from sin and genuine faith in Christ's redemptive work. For Dake, this baptism by the Spirit into Christ needed to occur prior to water baptism for the ceremonial or figurative baptism that is water baptism to be valid.

This is very similar to how some Baptists view water baptism; a symbol only, an act of obedience, and an outward testimony to the inward work that has already occurred.

It's definitely not the view of water baptism of the Roman Catholics, Churches of Christ, or some Apostolic (Oneness) Pentecostals.

With that new information about him, I disagree with his POV.

Dake would likely conclude that you are most likely conflating verses about baptism by the Spirit into Christ with the ceremony of water baptism. For Dake, the two baptisms were different baptisms. Not the same baptism.

I feel they are different baptisms; the water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins done by men for men.
And the Baptism of the Holy Spirt being done by God for men.

[Hill Top]

Hmmm...
One either has the gift [of the Holy Spirit], or they do not.

Dake distinguished between the earnest of the Spirit or the Spirit by measure (received at salvation) and the fullness of the Spirit or the Spirit without measure (or the Spirit Baptism) which permits the one so baptized to do whatever God would do in any situation (work miracles, etc...). All of the truly saved have the earnest of the Spirit, but not all of the saved have the Spirit Baptism (as evidenced by the ability to operate in any of the nine gifts of the Spirit at will).

Dake's view of the evidence of the Spirt Baptism is more extreme than just speaking in tongues (the least of the gifts). A Spirit Baptized person would, at minimum, be able to do the same works that Christ did. Anyone that cannot, would not be Spirit Baptized, according to Dake's view of the Spirit Baptism.

There are many different degrees of filling with the Spirit between the initial earnest of the Spirit (by measure) and the fullness of the Spirit (Spirit Baptism), as I understand Dake's views on the topic. A person might raise a person from the dead and yet not be Spirit Baptized.

We do have our differences.
I feel that everyone who has turned from sin and been water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, (which Acts 2:38 promises),...which is the earnest/down payment on eternal life.
The gifts of the Holy Spirt listed in 1 Cor 12-14, are given individually, as the church needs them.