Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ divine

[Hill Top]

Oh please...really ?
So a man landed on Jesus ?

If man is made in the image and likeness of God... And Jesus is the express image of God's person... And, the Holy Spirit is God... Then, if the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form, it follows that that bodily form was that of a man.

Was He a little, tiny man, when He descended on Christ Jesus ?
Or a full grown man ?
I feel that people were made after "Our" image...God and the Word's.
It was the Word that bore our physical likeness.

[Hill Top]

"Why would being "a Spirit" rule out being "a man"?"

Because men are not spirits.

"Paul is clear on the matter [that men are spirits]."

Not clear enough, it seems.
The Spirit of God is in the truly repentant & regenerated.
There is no second man inside them.

I am pretty sure that Dake would agree with you that there is no "second man" inside of a man. That's pretty much his reasoning for why the Holy Spirit does not dwell inside of anyone's body.

Regarding whether or not men are spirits...
I Corinthians 14:14 New King James Version
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

If I pray, my (human) spirit prays. Thus, I am an human spirit (who has a soul and lives in a body).

If Paul had said "If I pray... my spirit does NOT pray," then I'd know that I am not an (human) spirit.
Or, if Paul had said, "Even if I do not pray... my spirit prays..." then I'd know that the (spirit doing the praying was different from the person praying.

But, Paul equated the person praying with the spirit praying.

Paul was clear on the matter. Humans are spirits.

The Holy Spirit resides in everyone who has turned from sin (repented of sin) and been water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.
It was a gift since the day of Pentecost.
Including to me.
Did not rev. Dake think he had been given the gift of the Holy Ghost ?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

I see things either as literal or emblematic.
If God were a man, He would need to eat and drink, sleep, get haircuts, trim His nails, crap, etc.

Why? Wouldn't being God exempt God from such requirements?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Was He a little, tiny man, when He descended on Christ Jesus ?
Or a full grown man ?

I think His body is sized appropriately for an ideally sized man to whom a standard span of a hand would be 9 inches, and would therefore likely be about 6 feet, 2 inches in height.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

I feel that people were made after "Our" image...God and the Word's.
It was the Word that bore our physical likeness.

Do you view the Holy Spirit as a lesser being than God and the Word?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

The Holy Spirit resides in everyone who has turned from sin (repented of sin) and been water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.
It was a gift since the day of Pentecost.
Including to me.
Did not rev. Dake think he had been given the gift of the Holy Ghost ?

Dake understood the word "in" to mean "in union with" when referring to how the Holy Spirit was "in" genuine believers. Dake did not believe that the Holy Spirit's tangible body entered inside of any believer. He believed the Holy Spirit was "in" a believer in the sense of "in union with," not "bodily entrance into" the believer.

He described this union as similar to how an husband and wife, though separated physically by great distances are still in union with one another. And, he explained that the degree of union any believer has with the Holy Spirit is experienced to the degree of relationship that believer has with the Holy Spirit.

So, I think Dake would say...

The Holy Spirit is in union with (but not bodily inside) everyone who has been born again... And that he had been given the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I do not believe that Dake shared your views on water baptism, though Dake did believe that repentance from all sin was necessary.

I think a case can be made that Dake viewed water baptism as a New Testament command that must be obeyed and that the penalty for refusing to obey the command was like that of any other willfully committed sin.