Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ I was Not Known by My Name JEHOVAH... to Them

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Exodus 6:1-3 King James Version (Quotation marks added for clarity and study)
Then the LORD said unto Moses, "Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land." And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, "I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

The name "JEHOVAH" is Strong's Hebrew word 3068. It is utilized several times by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others prior to Exodus 6:1-3.

What does it mean that God was not known by the name "JEHOVAH" prior to Exodus 6:1-3? Especially, if that name was definitely in use prior to and by those that were said not to know the Name?

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Exodus 6:1-3 King James Version (Quotation marks added for clarity and study)
Then the LORD said unto Moses, "Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land." And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, "I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

The name "JEHOVAH" is Strong's Hebrew word 3068. It is utilized several times by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and others prior to Exodus 6:1-3.

What does it mean that God was not known by the name "JEHOVAH" prior to Exodus 6:1-3? Especially, if that name was definitely in use prior to and by those that were said not to know the Name?

Could it be possible, that the "them" of your citing were the Egyptians Moses was to speak to ?
They wouldn't be privy to that name, prior to it's use by Moses.

And I don't see that name being used before God spoke in Ex 6:1.
Though used once in combination, to name a mountain in Gen 22:14.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Could it be possible, that the "them" of your citing were the Egyptians Moses was to speak to ?
They wouldn't be privy to that name, prior to it's use by Moses.

I don't think that works, given that the word "them" refers to Israel in the same passage. I think changing who "them" is talking about in the passage without a clear reason is illogical.

And I don't see that name being used before God spoke in Ex 6:1.
Though used once in combination, to name a mountain in Gen 22:14.

The name "JEHOVAH" is Strong's Hebrew word 3068. It is rendered "LORD" in the King James Old Testament in Genesis in the stories pertaining to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And, it is utilized by them and others, demonstrating that they knew that Name. The KJV just doesn't render it as "JEHOVAH" in those passages, rendering it as "LORD," instead.

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Could it be possible, that the "them" of your citing were the Egyptians Moses was to speak to ?
They wouldn't be privy to that name, prior to it's use by Moses.

I don't think that works, given that the word "them" refers to Israel in the same passage. I think changing who "them" is talking about in the passage without a clear reason is illogical.

If God said it, why argue the validity of it ?

And I don't see that name being used before God spoke in Ex 6:1.
Though used once in combination, to name a mountain in Gen 22:14.

The name "JEHOVAH" is Strong's Hebrew word 3068. It is rendered "LORD" in the King James Old Testament in Genesis in the stories pertaining to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And, it is utilized by them and others, demonstrating that they knew that Name. The KJV just doesn't render it as "JEHOVAH" in those passages, rendering it as "LORD," instead.

If the Jews didn't know the name Jehovah, before God said they would, I can't argue with God.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

If the Jews didn't know the name Jehovah, before God said they would, I can't argue with God.

What Jews? No one was called a Jew in Genesis or Exodus?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

If God said it, why argue the validity of it ?

Just trying to understand the meaning of the statement that He wasn't known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, by His Name ("JEHOVAH"), even though Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are portrayed by Moses as having utilized that Name (rendered "LORD" in the KJV when it was utilized).

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If the Jews didn't know the name Jehovah, before God said they would, I can't argue with God.

What Jews? No one was called a Jew in Genesis or Exodus?

Don't get too nit-picky now.
Though all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. Mea culpa...

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If God said it, why argue the validity of it ?

Just trying to understand the meaning of the statement that He wasn't known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, by His Name ("JEHOVAH"), even though Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are portrayed by Moses as having utilized that Name (rendered "LORD" in the KJV when it was utilized).

I guess that "Lord" and "Jehovah" are interchangeable.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

If the Jews didn't know the name Jehovah, before God said they would, I can't argue with God.

What Jews? No one was called a Jew in Genesis or Exodus?

Don't get too nit-picky now.
Though all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. Mea culpa...

No Israelites were Jews before 2nd Kings 16:6. That's when the term was first utilized for anyone in the Bible. Hundreds of years (over 700 years) after the Exodus.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

If God said it, why argue the validity of it ?

Just trying to understand the meaning of the statement that He wasn't known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, by His Name ("JEHOVAH"), even though Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are portrayed by Moses as having utilized that Name (rendered "LORD" in the KJV when it was utilized).

I guess that "Lord" and "Jehovah" are interchangeable.

When the Hebrew word underlying the English translation is the same, yes.
And, that's the issue.

Exodus 6:3 says the name "Jehovah" wasn't known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Yet, the same Hebrew word rendered "Jehovah" in Exodus 6:3 is utilized by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the stories about them and by them in Genesis.