Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Essentials of the Christian faith

[macca]

One thing that I noticed early in my Christian experience is the belief that the works of Jesus in healing, raising the dead, the lame walking,the blind seeing,etc was to show His diety to the world.
Not the work of the Holy Spirit through Jesus.

[bibleman]

One thing that I noticed early in my Christian experience is the belief that the works of Jesus in healing, raising the dead, the lame walking,the blind seeing,etc was to show His diety to the world.
Not the work of the Holy Spirit through Jesus.

That flies in the face of Acts 10:38 doesn't it?

Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

[Grandfather]

What are the essentials?

Augustine is said to have stated:”In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity”

C.S. Lewis wrote: “One of the things that Christians are disagreed about is the importance of their disagreements. When two Christians of different denominations start arguing, it is usually not long before one asks where such-and-such a point ‘really matters’ and the other replies: ‘Matters? Why it’s absolutely essential”

What do you consider essential for the Christian faith? What are some of the non-essentials?

non-essentials -

(generally - there may be exceptions within these groupings)
KJV only
the role of women in the church
consumption of alcohol
observance of certain day
a baptism formula
old/new earth
pre/mid/post trib
Is the bible the “true” myth

I’m sure there are others.

[patrissimo]

I have a question re: Dake's teaching on the Eternal Sonship. Rom. 8:3 says, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son..."

How did God send His own Son if the Son wasn't yet the Son?

[bibleman]

I have a question re: Dake's teaching on the Eternal Sonship. Rom. 8:3 says, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son..."

How did God send His own Son if the Son wasn't yet the Son?

Reading too much into the statement. Paul did NOT say that Jesus was the son at the TIME he was sent.

Take for example: Luke 2:11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

At the time of the birth Jesus was not the Savior (had not died on the cross as of yet) BUT at the time Luke wrote it (maybe 58 ad), Jesus was the Savior.

Much like you saying: "My daughter married her husband in 1999."

He would be her husband now... (at the TIME you said it) but not before 1999.

[Grandfather]

I have a question re: Dake's teaching on the Eternal Sonship. Rom. 8:3 says, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son..."

How did God send His own Son if the Son wasn't yet the Son?

In many ways the struggle is with the communication of concepts that there are no words to accurately describe. Using the Trinity, because you referenced the Son. What was “the son” before he was the Son? Was there a “God the Father” before the son was born? To often people try to confine the divine to the restrictions of a natural language. Hence they say Jesus could not be the son before he was born. Was he Jesus before the incarnation? Was he the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, before he was in the world? (1 Pet 1:18-20)

I believe that too many argue over the wording rather than attempting to understand the meaning.

[patrissimo]

Why wouldn't The Lord Jesus be the Savior at the time of His birth?

[bibleman]

Why wouldn't The Lord Jesus be the Savior at the time of His birth?

Why wouldn't a daughter have a husband BEFORE she was married?

[patrissimo]

When the husband man sends his son in the parable in Mt. 21, does the Son only become the Son after he arrives?

[patrissimo]

When Christ sends the Spirit of Truth in Jn. 15 & 16, does the Holy Spirit's nature change for being sent?