Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Essentials of the Christian faith

[bibleman]

Well as you may know orthodox is what is traditionally accepted as true as has been put forth by the church over the ages.

Biblical of course is that which aligns with clear Bible statements as give in the Bible itself.

I am puzzeled. Are there some tradionally held orthodox beliefs that you believe do not line up with scripture?

Yes the eternal sonship myth.

[Grandfather]

Well as you may know orthodox is what is traditionally accepted as true as has been put forth by the church over the ages.

Biblical of course is that which aligns with clear Bible statements as give in the Bible itself.

I am puzzeled. Are there some tradionally held orthodox beliefs that you believe do not line up with scripture?

In the Orthodox church tradition, eggs are a symbol of new life. Early Christians used eggs to symbolize the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the regeneration of believers. At Easter, eggs are dyed red to represent the blood of Jesus that was shed on the cross for the redemption of all men. Easter eggs come from some kind of springtime pagan fertility practice not from the Word of God.

Apparently you are confusing Orthodox and orthodox

[Grandfather]

Well as you may know orthodox is what is traditionally accepted as true as has been put forth by the church over the ages.

Biblical of course is that which aligns with clear Bible statements as give in the Bible itself.

I am puzzeled. Are there some tradionally held orthodox beliefs that you believe do not line up with scripture?

Yes the eternal sonship myth.

I’m unclear as to what you mean when you say “eternal sonship” — are you saying there was a time when the Logos was not with the Father? Or perhaps that there was a time when God was not a trinity? Or are you objecting to the idea that the human nature of Jesus always was prior to his birth? Or are your rejecting idea that the Lord Jesus Christ remains human after in asscention?

[macca]

Jesus became the Son of God at his conception not before.
Therefore He was not God's Son for eternity past.
Hebrews. 1:5;

[bibleman]

Well as you may know orthodox is what is traditionally accepted as true as has been put forth by the church over the ages.

Biblical of course is that which aligns with clear Bible statements as give in the Bible itself.

I am puzzeled. Are there some tradionally held orthodox beliefs that you believe do not line up with scripture?

Yes the eternal sonship myth.

I’m unclear as to what you mean when you say “eternal sonship” — are you saying there was a time when the Logos was not with the Father? Or perhaps that there was a time when God was not a trinity? Or are you objecting to the idea that the human nature of Jesus always was prior to his birth? Or are your rejecting idea that the Lord Jesus Christ remains human after in asscention?

This was one of Dake's favorite topics to address.

[Grandfather]

Jesus became the Son of God at his conception not before.
Therefore He was not God's Son for eternity past.
Hebrews. 1:5;

Did the Logos exist seperate from the Father before the earthly conception?

[macca]

Jesus became the Son of God at his conception not before.
Therefore He was not God's Son for eternity past.
Hebrews. 1:5;

Did the Logos exist seperate from the Father before the earthly conception?

Yes. Heb.1:2; John.8:58;

[Grandfather]

Jesus became the Son of God at his conception not before.
Therefore He was not God's Son for eternity past.
Hebrews. 1:5;

Did the Logos exist seperate from the Father before the earthly conception?

Yes. Heb.1:2; John.8:58;

So, how to you relate to those that simply mislabel or mis-speak in their use of words to describing the pre-incarnate Christ?

[bibleman]

Jesus became the Son of God at his conception not before.
Therefore He was not God's Son for eternity past.
Hebrews. 1:5;

Did the Logos exist seperate from the Father before the earthly conception?

Yes. Heb.1:2; John.8:58;

So, how to you relate to those that simply mislabel or mis-speak in their use of words to describing the pre-incarnate Christ?

I'm not Macca but as for me...

I just recognize that not everybody calls things by the right words and some people are just ignorant to true Biblical understanding. For them... I treat them like normal and enjoy the relationship.

For those who are into the orthodox teaching, I recognize their ignorance to true Biblical understating. And if they want the truth I will share it with them... if they want to argue then they can stay in their ignorance.... Either way I still treat them like normal and enjoy the relationship.

[Grandfather]

I'm not Macca but as for me...

I just recognize that not everybody calls things by the right words and some people are just ignorant to true Biblical understanding. For them... I treat them like normal and enjoy the relationship.

For those who are into the orthodox teaching, I recognize their ignorance to true Biblical understating. And if they want the truth I will share it with them... if they want to argue then they can stay in their ignorance.... Either way I still treat them like normal and enjoy the relationship.

I believe there are many things about God that are difficult to express in words. Sometimes people use the wrong wording because they lack the vocabulary to express it any other way.

Then, sadly, there is that group that want to believe what they believe because that is what they want to believe. I will gladly fellowship with them to the point where their dogma forces me to do otherwise.