Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ KEEP REPENTING OR ETERNAL SECURITY?

[Hill Top]

When a Pentecostal Christian is sick it is more likely he will be mocked than bring glory to God.

Does "mocking" sound like it is from God?
No.
You will more likely to be mocked if you say "you no longer commit sin", at a Pentecostal joint.

[Hill Top]

Fear is the opposite of faith and comes from ignorance of the Truth.

And yet, it is written..."The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: " (Pro 9:10)
Not all fear is bad.
There are a bunch more verses about fear in Proverbs...all t o the glory of God.

[luchnia]

Rejoicing because you are sick? You might ask God to keep you sick and also fill you with so much disease since that brings Him glory.

That is what Paul did, isn't it?
It is written..." For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2 Cor 12:8-10)

What sickness and diseases did Paul have? Are you one of the folks that believe Paul was blind and had some type of disease?

Who knows, as it isn't written: but he did "take pleasure in infinities".

Why do you assume that weakness is sickness?

[luchnia]

HillTop just said, Does "mocking" sound like it is from God?
No.
You will more likely to be mocked if you say "you no longer commit sin", at a Pentecostal joint.

"Pentecostal joint"?? Well, Hilltop just showed his true colors. We have an enemy in the camp! No wonder he "doesn't get it!

HillTop, Question: Have you ever been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues????????????????????

Why do you state hilltop is an enemy? If he believes Christ crucified and rose from the dead he is your brother as well as mine. If he is in error about certain doctrines or disagrees with other's views does not mean he does not believe Jesus rose again and is his savior. Everyone is not always on the same page when it comes to knowledge of scripture.

[Hill Top]

HillTop, if you were making a desperate defense for a noble cause you would earn our respect but to put up such a fight against Christians' biblical response to Satan's attacks on mankind is absurd, pitiful, obnoxious and embarrassing for yourself and begins to look like a man who can't admit he is ever wrong or who never sins.

Why doesn't that apply to Jesus too?
He feared in the Garden of Gethsemane, so your comments must also include Him.
My "fear" of eye surgery is a normal response to the potentially danger, but it won't stop me from having it done because I know I am in God's hands.

I guess that your comments mean you are in the "Keep Repenting" camp, as you seem to want to find sin in everything.
Sin that needs repenting of, as opposed to other side to the post,,,"Eternal Security".
My security is in the fact that I have been reborn of God and His seed within me prevents sin. (1 John 3:9)
I never commit sin.
How about you?

[Hill Top]

Rejoicing because you are sick? You might ask God to keep you sick and also fill you with so much disease since that brings Him glory.

That is what Paul did, isn't it?
It is written..." For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2 Cor 12:8-10)

What sickness and diseases did Paul have? Are you one of the folks that believe Paul was blind and had some type of disease?

Who knows, as it isn't written: but he did "take pleasure in infinities".

Why do you assume that weakness is sickness?

I don't, as infirmity was also the table.
Paul made it clear enough in 2 Cor 12:8-10..."For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong."

[Hill Top]

Rejoicing because you are sick? You might ask God to keep you sick and also fill you with so much disease since that brings Him glory.

That is what Paul did, isn't it?
It is written..." For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2 Cor 12:8-10)

What sickness and diseases did Paul have? Are you one of the folks that believe Paul was blind and had some type of disease?

Who knows, as it isn't written: but he did "take pleasure in infinities".

Why do you assume that weakness is sickness?

I don't, as infirmity was also the table.
Paul made it clear enough in 2 Cor 12:8-10..."For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong."

[Hill Top]

HillTop just said, Does "mocking" sound like it is from God?
No.
You will more likely to be mocked if you say "you no longer commit sin", at a Pentecostal joint.

"Pentecostal joint"?? Well, Hilltop just showed his true colors. We have an enemy in the camp! No wonder he "doesn't get it!

"Get" what?
That Paul was a sinner because he had infirmities?
Or that he rejoiced in them?
Or that God is strong in us when we are weak?

HillTop, Question: Have you ever been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues????????????????????

Yes, I have.
Thank you again, holy Father, for believing my repentance from sin was true! Thank you for occupying this sanctified, pure temple as Your own.

[Hill Top]

To call the Pentecostal movement a "joint" was an attack on the Pentecostal movement which is of God and makes HT an enemy of the movement of God. Whether he is saved or not will be determined on Judgment Day to paraphrase HT's own words. No one here is qualified to say whether HT is saved or not.

To determine if they are of God, or not, we need to ask them if they commit sin.
Every one of them I have asked that question of replied "Yes". They all "try" not to sin, but have multiple excuses for why they cannot.

What is your answer, dolph?

BTW, wouldn't 'that' be an attack on their buildings? Not on their movement?

[Hill Top]

HT, I have come full circle and have ended up where I began, ie., that if one reads Galatians one can easily conclude that keeping the law couldn't save the Jews and it is "foolish" for Christians to believe that keeping the law can save them;

It is written..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: " (Rom 3:21-22)
Plus..."Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Rom 3:31)
We can "keep the Law", the law of Jesus Christ, ie...love God above all else and our neighbor as ourselves.

and if one reads I John that one must keep the law to be a Christian.

"The righteousness of God without the Law is manifested..." "by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: "
I believe.

I remain in the main Bible believing camp with Dr. Dake and will continue my effort not to sin and to confess and repent to my High Priest Jesus Christ when I do sin. Whether or not we lose our salvation each time we sin and have to be born again and again as my hero Dake teaches is academic to me at the present time.

Which scripture does rev Dake quote for the answer you allude to?

I again thank you, HillTop, for indirectly encouraging me to sin less and strive for the no-sin level even though "to say that is a lie" according to scripture. (If that scripture is taken literally, by the way, how many people will end up in Hell, 99.999%?)

I don't encourage folks to "sin less".
I let them know they don't have to sin at all.
Jesus commanded it in Matt 5:48.

Another "by the way", I told myself to make an effort not to sin Saturday which lasted until the Giant-Detroit game Sunday when I couldn't stop calling my beloved 2-6 Giants jerks and idiots every time they made bad plays. It's not easy being perfect like HillTop, sigh.

The divine nature is available to all who turn from darkness and unto the Light.
Freedom from service to sin is available. (John 8:32-34)

It's been an interesting debate but don't take it too hard HT, someone had to loose.

If the seed of God is in you, you cannot commit sin.
A real turn from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins will allow that. (Acts 2:38)