Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Isn't Jesus the Holy Spirit, Too?

[Hill Top]

Stick with what the Holy Spirit says in the Bible Haz, He knows more about God then any man can dream up.
Hill Top and his ilk sing " who you gunna call? Ghost Busters"

What do you suppose the Holy Ghost is?

[luchnia]

How can HE have no body? If HE has no body He must be an IT.

God and the Word were/are masculine in nature.
I granted that nature to the Spirit too.

If it makes you happier, I will, from hence forth, refer to the Holy Spirit as "It".

Jesus and the Father never sent an IT to the Earth when Jesus left the Earth, they sent the Holy Spirit, a member of the Godhead who has a body soul and a Spirit just like every other living being has.

If a spirit has a body, it is not a spirit.

Where do you come up with this stuff from? You make Paul a liar because he stated, there is a natural body and a spiritual body. I am good with what Paul taught about this subject.

You have forgotten your "context" rule.
Whose bodies is Paul writing of in 1 Cor 15 ?
Resurrected men..."So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." (1 Cor 15:42-44)

So there is not a spiritual body?

[Hill Top]

How can HE have no body? If HE has no body He must be an IT.

God and the Word were/are masculine in nature.
I granted that nature to the Spirit too.

If it makes you happier, I will, from hence forth, refer to the Holy Spirit as "It".

Jesus and the Father never sent an IT to the Earth when Jesus left the Earth, they sent the Holy Spirit, a member of the Godhead who has a body soul and a Spirit just like every other living being has.

If a spirit has a body, it is not a spirit.

Where do you come up with this stuff from? You make Paul a liar because he stated, there is a natural body and a spiritual body. I am good with what Paul taught about this subject.

You have forgotten your "context" rule.
Whose bodies is Paul writing of in 1 Cor 15 ?
Resurrected men..."So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." (1 Cor 15:42-44)

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

[luchnia]

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

That doesn't answer the question.

[Hill Top]

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

That doesn't answer the question.

OK, There is a spiritual body, and it will be manifested after the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous on the last day.
Do you see the difference between a spiritual body and the body of a spirit?

[Ironman]

Hill Top, why dont you tell us what the difference is between a spiritual body and the body of a spirit?

[luchnia]

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

That doesn't answer the question.

OK, There is a spiritual body, and it will be manifested after the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous on the last day.
Do you see the difference between a spiritual body and the body of a spirit?

According to Paul the spiritual body was already manifested in Christ, so we have no issue understanding there is a spiritual body. Just because each of our individual spirit bodies currently exist in our fleshly tent, doesn't mean there is not a spiritual body, but Paul gives us confirmation so we are not ignorant of that fact.

As far as the difference between a spiritual body and a body of a spirit it would depend on how the two terms are defined or perceived as the greek describes nouns by word position differently than the English language does. Spiritual body is not as possessive, but more definitive and descriptive whereas body "of a" spirit is more possessive - (at least in the way we understand our word meanings).

You can make a lot about these two things, however since Paul did not allude to a "body of a spirit", but he stated pnematikos soma (spirit body) then what would we gain in our understanding by changing what he said? The greater challenge for understanding body of a spirit are the two words "of a" in your question and re-arranging the two words body and spirit.

[Hill Top]

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

That doesn't answer the question.

OK, There is a spiritual body, and it will be manifested after the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous on the last day.
Do you see the difference between a spiritual body and the body of a spirit?

According to Paul the spiritual body was already manifested in Christ,

Scripture please.

... so we have no issue understanding there is a spiritual body. Just because each of our individual spirit bodies currently exist in our fleshly tent, doesn't mean there is not a spiritual body, but Paul gives us confirmation so we are not ignorant of that fact.

The Spirit in me is not a "physical" item.

As far as the difference between a spiritual body and a body of a spirit it would depend on how the two terms are defined or perceived as the greek describes nouns by word position differently than the English language does. Spiritual body is not as possessive, but more definitive and descriptive whereas body "of a" spirit is more possessive - (at least in the way we understand our word meanings).

I will let you know when I can speak Greek.
For now, I prefer conversations in English.

You can make a lot about these two things, however since Paul did not allude to a "body of a spirit", but he stated pnematikos soma (spirit body) then what would we gain in our understanding by changing what he said? The greater challenge for understanding body of a spirit are the two words "of a" in your question and re-arranging the two words body and spirit.

As your posts seem oblivous to the topic we wese discussing, ie. the difference between a spirit body and the body of a spirit, your efforts are off topic,
Can, or, do spirits have bodies?
I conclude that if they have bodies, they are not spirits.

[luchnia]

So there is not a spiritual body?

Do you see no difference between a "spiritual body" and the "body of a spirit"?

That doesn't answer the question.

OK, There is a spiritual body, and it will be manifested after the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous on the last day.
Do you see the difference between a spiritual body and the body of a spirit?

According to Paul the spiritual body was already manifested in Christ,

Scripture please.

... so we have no issue understanding there is a spiritual body. Just because each of our individual spirit bodies currently exist in our fleshly tent, doesn't mean there is not a spiritual body, but Paul gives us confirmation so we are not ignorant of that fact.

The Spirit in me is not a "physical" item.

As far as the difference between a spiritual body and a body of a spirit it would depend on how the two terms are defined or perceived as the greek describes nouns by word position differently than the English language does. Spiritual body is not as possessive, but more definitive and descriptive whereas body "of a" spirit is more possessive - (at least in the way we understand our word meanings).

I will let you know when I can speak Greek.
For now, I prefer conversations in English.

You can make a lot about these two things, however since Paul did not allude to a "body of a spirit", but he stated pnematikos soma (spirit body) then what would we gain in our understanding by changing what he said? The greater challenge for understanding body of a spirit are the two words "of a" in your question and re-arranging the two words body and spirit.

As your posts seem oblivous to the topic we wese discussing, ie. the difference between a spirit body and the body of a spirit, your efforts are off topic,
Can, or, do spirits have bodies?
I conclude that if they have bodies, they are not spirits.

You completely missed it. Oh well.