Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ If a sinner was NEVER born again as some say....

[bibleman]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

[Hill Top]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

[bibleman]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

OK so you are saying that man has in his own power to do the following:

He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

Where does the goodness come from in the heart of man? I thought according to Jeremiah 1:9 that the heart of man was desperately wicked?

How is this goodness produced from a wicked heart?

[luchnia]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

Seed can be stolen, burned up, blown away, etc., just as Jesus taught. Denying what Jesus taught about seed is denying God's word about it. When a person doesn't understand what the seed of God is and how it works they will always be in the dark about this topic.

Peter, one of the born again saved chosen ones that brought forth the fruit of God, chose to walk away from the seed of God when he decided to backslide and join satan's seed when he denied Jesus and bore the fruit of darkness in the lie. Many that were saved and followed Jesus later fell away to reject Jesus and some to the point of no return as scripture teaches.

[Hill Top]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

OK so you are saying that man has in his own power to do the following:

He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

Where does the goodness come from in the heart of man? I thought according to Jeremiah 1:9 that the heart of man was desperately wicked?

How is this goodness produced from a wicked heart?

It isn't goodness.
It is a charade.

[Hill Top]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

Seed can be stolen, burned up, blown away, etc., just as Jesus taught. Denying what Jesus taught about seed is denying God's word about it. When a person doesn't understand what the seed of God is and how it works they will always be in the dark about this topic.

I agree.

Peter, one of the born again saved chosen ones that brought forth the fruit of God, chose to walk away from the seed of God when he decided to backslide and join satan's seed when he denied Jesus and bore the fruit of darkness in the lie. Many that were saved and followed Jesus later fell away to reject Jesus and some to the point of no return as scripture teaches.

Please show scripturally where Peter had been reborn.
As salvation won't be assured till we hear our name is in the book of life, any assignment of the word "saved" is just conjecture. (Rev 20:12,15)

[luchnia]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

Seed can be stolen, burned up, blown away, etc., just as Jesus taught. Denying what Jesus taught about seed is denying God's word about it. When a person doesn't understand what the seed of God is and how it works they will always be in the dark about this topic.

I agree.

Peter, one of the born again saved chosen ones that brought forth the fruit of God, chose to walk away from the seed of God when he decided to backslide and join satan's seed when he denied Jesus and bore the fruit of darkness in the lie. Many that were saved and followed Jesus later fell away to reject Jesus and some to the point of no return as scripture teaches.

Please show scripturally where Peter had been reborn.
As salvation won't be assured till we hear our name is in the book of life, any assignment of the word "saved" is just conjecture. (Rev 20:12,15)

So none of Jesus' followers were born again and Jesus lied to Nicodemus when He said a man must be born again? What you are implying is that no one is born again.

[bibleman]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

OK so you are saying that man has in his own power to do the following:

He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

Where does the goodness come from in the heart of man? I thought according to Jeremiah 1:9 that the heart of man was desperately wicked?

How is this goodness produced from a wicked heart?

It isn't goodness.
It is a charade.

Charade???

You are too funny!

[Hill Top]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

OK so you are saying that man has in his own power to do the following:

He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

Where does the goodness come from in the heart of man? I thought according to Jeremiah 1:9 that the heart of man was desperately wicked?

How is this goodness produced from a wicked heart?

It isn't goodness.
It is a charade.

Charade???
You are too funny!

He repented of his repentance from sin. (2 Cor 7:10)
So he was a liar.
He decided to serve his own lusts, above the wishes of God.
So he was an idolater who had not crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)
He walked in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.
So was still under the Law. (Gal 5:18)
A lying idolater who walked in the flesh and was under the Law.
That's your idea of righteous?
That is your idea of the fruit of God?
I cannot agree.

[bibleman]

OK got a question

A person says he got saved at 20 years of age in 2002.
He is now 40 years old.
He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

OK this same person backslid and left God.
He no longer goes to church.
He has now joined the Satanist church.
He now spends his money on the lottery, gambling and drugs.
He is an alcoholic.
He just recently killed his wife and strangled his 3 children just before he set the house on fire.
He then picked up a female prostitute and a homosexual man and went to Las Vegas to gamble for the week.
While there he robbed a casino and killed the taxi cab driver for his 87 dollars.

Alright some would say that this man was NEVER born again and never a true seed of God.

So then following that logic.

What gave him the power to live righteously with such commitment to God for the 20 years that he did?

He did it by his own power.
And BTW, he wasn't the "seed" of God.
The seed of God would have gendered him, and he would have been the fruit of God's seed.
Seed can only bring forth after its own kind, since Gen 1:11...the third day.

OK so you are saying that man has in his own power to do the following:

He was a avid Bible student.
He went to church every time the doors were opened.
He paid his tithes every single week on every penny he made.
He volunteered at homeless and food shelters.
He was on the witnessing team at church.
He volunteered to clean the church every week.
He was on the church praise team.
He went on a mission trip every year for 20 years.
He donated his cars for the cause of missions on several occasions throughout the 20 years.
He opened his house to new believers who needed assistance.

Where does the goodness come from in the heart of man? I thought according to Jeremiah 1:9 that the heart of man was desperately wicked?

How is this goodness produced from a wicked heart?

It isn't goodness.
It is a charade.

Charade???
You are too funny!

He repented of his repentance from sin. (2 Cor 7:10)
So he was a liar.
He decided to serve his own lusts, above the wishes of God.
So he was an idolater who had not crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)
He walked in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.
So was still under the Law. (Gal 5:18)
A lying idolater who walked in the flesh and was under the Law.
That's your idea of righteous?
That is your idea of the fruit of God?
I cannot agree.

Still you have not answered the question, in your mind, a sinner, lived such a good life for 20 years, even longer than you have lived for God.

By what power was he enabled to that kind of life?